Warrior Analyze end-game WARRIOR bossing dpm of current meta

that is false because you don’t need to stand right at the edge as a paladin to blast mid head. It is much easier to attack mid head from right side as a paladin than a hero or a dk

 

you need to stand at the very edge to cleave as a hero or a dk. Rush will not bring you to that very edge so even after rushing you need to tap a few times to arrive at that edge. There is only one frame on that block which will allow the dk or heroes to cleave and if you are not on that one frame you aren’t cleaving. Paladins have around 3-4 frames on that block which makes it much easier for them to find the spot to both blast and acb the two heads. It is cumbersome and not easy to do especially if given that rushing right head or rushing mid head will leave you at different positions on that block.

the whole falling down is valid but unrelated point.

 

you don't need to be at the edge to HH the right head? Idk what you're talking about.

 

When legs and tail are still up, it's usually better to cleave legs+tail from the middle at the bottom. Ever since the arm aggro change the right arm is a lot more trigger happy when you get knocked right though, so you have to be careful to readjust quickly. You can also intentionally trigger the right arm while your sed target has shield in order to bait out its seds.

I think the rest of the flow chart you outlined is reasonable for left head first strategies, but there are a lot of viable options for where to put your cleave damage. Mostly comes down to tradeoffs. Only thing I'd nitpick is that effective dpm from spot C isn't really worth it unless you have smoke, but I haven't done explicit tests (it just feels terrible)

 

It's possible to being knocked to right? By the touch damage from leg I guess?
I will try it when not being sed. I was the sed in my recent 3 runs.

When the wing is down, and the right head goes to weapon cancel.
All you are hitting at spot D is the right hand.
Archer will usually attack hand at that time, because no shifter or stance.
So I just go spot C, to prevent too much damage to the right hand.
Sometimes I do cleave at spot D if right head is not in weapon cancel.

Maybe I should say go spot D if right head is not in weapon cancel, and go spot C if it is.

 

BMs can hit midhead in that scenario with Skar's input buffer technique, see https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...um-cancels-an-obscure-piece-of-bm-tech.26358/. In that case though yeah spot C is reasonable for hero/dk and if well-executed i'd believe it outperforms just going to left side to hit midhead (esp if you've already aggro'd the left arm).

You're right doing legs/tail as sed target is a lot sketchier. I think with a good bishop that can tank tail it's probably still optimal run-timer-wise, but I wouldn't really advise it...

 

There's a proper technique to getting to the correct spot for cleave on Right Head/Mid Head, and with enough practice it can be a decent spot to go to. That being said you have less room than any other spot in the game, with around 2 movement units where it functions. It probably shouldn't look like you're standing on anything when you do it right.

You'll want haste, and from the ranged platform tap onto the top of the rope. Then jump left off of the rope, this puts you either in a spot where you can hit both heads or 1 unit away, in which case you jump straight up and tap left in order to move exactly 1 unit over into cleave range.

Characters get 1500 ms of iframes upon a hit, but even in the chaos you can assume to be hit once every 1.8-2.5 seconds. That puts your average stance time at somewhere between 18 and 25 seconds given a 10% chance of kb. It's not unreasonable to get back to RH/MH cleave in roughly 10-12 seconds, which generally leaves you net positive on time, but the damage profit is rather small. It's still better than single head, but much worse than 3 target depending on how arm/wing is valued, but it's especially skill dependent because going arm/wing/RH is rather easy to pull off.

Midhead cancel is my only real concern. I ignore LH cancel and continue firing away at MH if I'm on left side, but if RH cancels I wait until I get knocked down to move back to LH/MH. When MH cancels, I do head/arm/wings cleave on either side. Right side is rather easy, but RH raise or RA duck loses a fair amount of hits, if I were to hazard a guess I'd say it shaves it down to 2.2 parts of cleave on average. With MH canceled on left side it's generally better to just jump cleave with haste on LH/LA/Wings, and with enough attention you can time the attacks to LA duck or LH raise in order to optimize. It beats just waiting on LH to come back to you.

With heavy cleave parties it's also possible to hit just RH and wings, a few units past the rope will bring you to a spot where you only hit RA when it's going through an animation, but otherwise it's free RH and Wings damage in case no other options look appetizing.

DKs also have a notable disadvantage to LH/MH cleave, and that is leaving and entering zerk hp range on every knockback. For weapon ranges the furthest is Paladin 2h > Paladin 1h > Crusher/Brandish(With Brandish having equal horizontal range but I theorize there are a couple more pixels vertically) so Hero/DK tend to need to jump further, putting them at risk of hopping into Head. It's not a death concern for Heroes generally but the clean 12k/16k buffed is a death risk for DKs choosing to jump back to the middle platform after a knockback. So for almost every knockback, it's necessary to pot, test attack markers, then go back into zerk with either Sacrifice(garbo skill that misses everything) or Roar(wasteful but effective)

Source: I like HT

 

Make HH require energy charge (like bucc).
Only active attacking can charge it.

Then we can give back the power paladins once have while preventing HH mules.

 

Why use +7 Sky Ski for DK?+7 Timeless Spear gives 13 more Weapon Attack at the same Weapon speed.