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Golden Gach Tickets: A new way to obtain AP Resets

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Piety, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. HeroOfLight
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    I see the idea of ap reseting to wash extremely tedious time wise. Making players wait is not engaging game play, at the same time the drop rates for this if done poorly might as well not even be implemented. I'd rather just have a price reduction and call it at that. Who cares if its too easy on newer players, that's a horrible mentality to have. You should never alienate newer members of a game, it just increases the steepness curve to enter in.
     
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    Then you punish players for doing quests and you promote only grinding which is GMS's current problem.


    Edit: Rather than just reply with a disagree tell me what you disagree with. Right now what you wrote puts the blame on the player that chooses a playstyle that is promoted as a key feature of the server (3x exp from questing).
     
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    I think that a straight up reduction in price is not happening at this point. Newer players can argue about this all they want, we've seen the backlash and the general reaction of the players. As a newer player myself, I don't think the price reduction is the way to go; things like what they did with the current Summer Event (60x Pearls for a AP reset; it encourages people to play on their characters to gather Ice Boxes to get a bunch of them) is a good approach to the problem.
    And about the drop rate being poor; something that drops that's basically worth 3100 NX shouldn't be a common drop. As I said before, the point of this is to give a small ''buff'' to the slow wait to obtain all your AP resets, not make you able to fully wash your character in two weeks.


    Most quests involves hunting enemies/gathering resources anyway, so you're bound to get some. And hey, most people enjoy the ''problem'' of GMS which is the endless grind. We wouldn't be here otherwise MapleF3
     
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    On the contrary, My group of friends and I came here for the community and party aspect of older maple rather than solo grinding that is current GMS. My problem is with the person I replied to. They blame another player for doing quests rather than grinding when questing is the promoted game play style of this server. While yes you often kill enemies for quests the amount of killing compared to traveling is vastly different from my experience.
    Also I loved the idea of an event that let players get the resets and other items. That promotes healthy game play and wasn't my problem. My problem is relying on a rare resource drop to fix an issue where there is a high entrance curve to newer players. From my experience, with the people I know, it wouldn't make much of a difference and the problem would still exist because the drop rate for these tickets are very low.

    edit: changed most of us to my friends and I since it was a broad generalization.
     
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    It's not that bad. Yes it is tedious, but it doesn't make it so that you can't play your character. You could just pump your AP into HP and not wash out it until later -> immediately having the benefit of added HP. Also, after that, with each day you vote, your character slowly gets stronger, as you slowly reset your stats.
     
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    My problem is that it is a barrier to entry and can be argued that late game can become more difficult if you choose to not wash. For those who play LoL/Dota its the equivalent of making runes required to be purchased and all champions the max cost(6300 ip in LoL vs reduced prices or free in the case of Dota). The OP solution while it is a solution, it is not an effective solution in my eyes because of the low impact it can cause for newer players. Sure it may work for higher levels but will will have very little impact for lower levels.

    As a comment stated earlier having events such as a pearl event for AP resets is a genius way to go about it. Its not too difficult to obtain, all levels can partake with not too much struggle involved and it promotes player interactivity. If you compare that to a hunting ticket which drop at random and infrequently it is neither rewarding nor achievable for some newer players.
     
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    To be fair, I don't think there's any ''fixing'' the issue. HP washing as a whole/the mechanic is a dumb mess that shouldn't have existed (or been mandatory to boss at a semi-decent level) anyway.
    In the end, we all join this server for different reasons and to play however we want. This suggestion is definitely more oriented for the people who are grinding more than questers; not that I don't think people focusing on quests want to/shouldn't boss or anything, but in general I don't think questing is the main focus for HP washers.

    The Pearl event event isn't all that different; apart from the Tree which pops you some pearls occasionally or the daily JQ, you'll get most of your AP resets through grinding; you need Sunshines from grinding to trigger the tree, and the majority of your pearls are going to come from Ice Boxes which you get from your grinding sessions. I think a way to incorporate a quest in this could be good to please both sides of the playerbase, but I'm afraid this might be overcomplicating things/make it hard to balance.
     
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    We agree then. I don't want to alienate players. My original reply was to some one who made a statement along the lines of: If you don't get the tickets for gachapon hunting and potentially this new suggested golden ap gacha ticket because you quest instead of grind, that's too bad. In a sever where 3x quest experience is one of the main drawing points in its server description, grinding shouldn't be the main way to obtain OP's suggested gacha ticket.

    I disagree with your second point, many many people I've played with and are in my guild do pq's mob grinding isn't the primary focus of pq's and yet they still take part in the event to get those pearls. The difference between the OPs suggestion and the tree event is that one promotes solo play and a grinding play style while the other promotes community interaction (i.e. competing to be the highest donator, donating to help other players, etc.) While both are viable solutions, one promotes a healthy community while the other promotes only solo gain much like my problem with this post and the voting debate right now. A minority of the community wants to keep the barrier to entry as thick as when they first started while the other rather streamline a part of it while still keeping the barrier. It hurts no one to make the barrier thinner only a few egos.
     
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    NotLikeThis just read the other thread instead of spewing out the same arguments

    Literally everything that can be said on the matter has been said
     
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    It's not a barrier to entry. You need to be at least like 14x to run HT anyway. If you slow down and quest and enjoy the game like you want, you have plenty of time to get the nx you need for the AP resets you need.
     
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    Not a barrier to entry but requires you do to it for many levels to see progress. Therefore should be done relatively early to have good gains. Can't tell if you are ignorant or just trolling.

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    (Let's not turn this into a general debate about HP washing/the necessity of it and focus more on this suggestion/improvement to it in this thread; there's the other AMAZING thread for that MapleF3)
     
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    The int is what you need early. The earlier the better, and the less you'd need.

    I think the ignorance is on your part.
     
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    I agree, I think he's just trolling to get a reaction.
     
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    The reaction I want to see is less stupid, but I'm afraid it's not working....

    I don't troll. People who think I do and try to tell everyone about it have already lost the argument.
     
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    Questing is not the promoted playstyle of this server, it's just advertized that the exp is 3x, questing has never been the main playstyle of this server and it never will be.
     
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    Throwback to when we didn't want the economy to die MapleF8
     
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    I'm talking from the perspective of a new player, of course, because I've been actively playing for well over a week. However, I've been alive for 21 years and I've seen countless of times how life became "easier" for us newer generations. The older generation was the one who made it possible, and, aside from a small percentage, there were no complaints.

    Of course, comparing life to the game is kind of absurd, but you can apply the same logic to an extent. I don't see people in this thread or any thread related to ap resets discussing without putting the: "I had to endure how hard it was, they should endure too" aside. Also, I don't see any experts in economy right here, for you all to take an stance in regards to that. Any change will affect economy, yes, but not all changes are for the negative; the economy right now is far from perfect.

    Coming back to the perspective of a new player: I've been having a hard time thinking if it's worth playing this server or not. I'm working, and I'm sure a lot of the population in the server does too, and waiting for 6 months to play the character I really want to play and not be... dogshit (marksman), seems like far too much time.

    HP washing as a whole is retarded and completely removing the need of it is just abrupt. What I'm asking, and many other new players are asking too, is that we start to think about the server's future instead of comparing your past of hardships. A tweak in ap reset price, or the addition of this, will make life a bit easier for us and will make the game much more alive.

    Having extremely high patience is not equal to a good player. Having a hard game is not what makes a good game, neither a server. I think this server is good for its community and staff, not necessarily what the game has offered me so far.

    I'm willing to bet on the staff to keep a good economy.

    Then again, hp washing is just retarded.

    TL;DR: you guys are making it too hard for the staff to choose, because of the constant "muh hardships" or "muh economy" when everyone should be thinking rationally about the things they do know.
     
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    TriHard deribouderibou
     
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    HP washing is a choice. not a need. Ap resets. i know ppl who just add points into HP just to have more HP :D.
    as the original game, there wasnt a thing called hp washing until Tiger found it. so people probably lvled up and added HP themselves. its not hard to just save nx and then vote. nx cosmetics is for 3months. 15k nx (3dyas voting) wouldnt hurt to lose. fryberfryber here is a lvl 188 marksman. if he can do it, so can you :p
     

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