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Accepted & Implemented Is the White Scroll Prompt Needlessly Confusing?

Discussion in 'Accepted' started by -ovv, Mar 29, 2023.

Is White Scroll Prompt Needlessly Confusing?

  1. Yes, the white scroll prompt is needlessly confusing, and it should be changed.

    27 vote(s)
    36.0%
  2. Yes, the white scroll prompt is needlessly confusing, but it should not be changed.

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  3. No, the white scroll prompt is not needlessly confusing, but it should be changed.

    13 vote(s)
    17.3%
  4. No, the white scroll prompt is not needlessly confusing, and it should not be changed.

    24 vote(s)
    32.0%
  5. Cancel, I don't even know what a white scroll is

    7 vote(s)
    9.3%
  1. Subterlabor
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    its really not hard to use legendary spirit with the box checked. Raw dogging scrolls onto items is for the brave
     
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    What kinda 10iq person u be not to understand the prompt
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    Old spy movies must have an "explode our secret volcano base" button. You aren't allowed to question why there is a button for blowing up your really cool volcano base, you just have to smugly assert that nobody in their right mind would press the self destruct button shortly before James Bond comes by and blows up your base and all of your long fought over plans.

    Is it fun to watch Mark Zuckerberg get his evil lair blown up? Yeah. But after a while you sort of have to wonder why every evil lair has a massive self destruct button.
     
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    Why was this accepted its literally the most simple possible prompt in its current state. If people can't understand Yes No Cancel they have no business trying to white scroll anything. The new options just make it more confusing and the poll was in favour of keeping it the same :D

    Would you like a glass of water

    "Oh wow I sure am thirsty"

    *clicks no*

    I'd even shoutout Blen for making a very clear simple guide for white scrolling that I used when I went to scroll my first ws10
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2024
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    Actually the poll was in favor of changing it. Kind of ironic you misinterpreted the information that way seeing as it was designed similarly to the current white scroll prompt.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2024
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    Hmmmm I suppose by "grouping votes" as a yes you're correct, touche.

    It's still the most smooth brain shit imagineable to screw up in the current setup.
     
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    I don’t disagree, but I’m not trying to berate people for messing up. I’m just trying to propose a better design. I genuinely believe people aren’t messing up because they can’t read. It’s because they’re conditioned to believe No means cancel because that’s how it’s designed literally everywhere else in the game. The white scroll prompt is the only situation where no means forward progress, and misinterpreting that has major consequences.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2024
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    mmmmmmmm that's fair about the No = cancel
     
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    I've always felt like something was weird wth the prompt and having you describe the Yes and No as both forward actions answered a question I never knew to ask!
     
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    Bumping every time a high ticket item dies to ws prompt misinterpretation

    Keeping language but last scuff wasn’t due to misinterpretation. It was due to service scuff as a direct result of the untradeable ws implementation.
     
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    Even if white scroll was tradable, would service sellers let the service buyer do the scrolling?
     
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    There’d be no need for ws service. WS service is a byproduct of bad design.
     
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    I meant the 100% white scroll service
     
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    Id reckon the seller would provide the ws like before. It’s basically risk free since the person in control is the owner of the item. IIRC that’s how things used to be handled.
     
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    I voted...
    <however, i do not know what white scrolls are
    would you or any other layman care to explain>
     
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    Resurrecting this thread now that we have a much easier time around the UI. Please note that this is just a photoshopped picture for demonstration.

    [​IMG]

    Update:
    • "Yes" and "No" buttons now describe the actual action they will perform.
    • The buttons have different colors, along with detailed wording.
    • The dialog will be changed to something like "Before the scroll is applied, you may choose to use a White Scroll. How would you like to proceed?".
    • The two forward-action buttons are now separated by the neutral button, to further reduce the chance of harmful misclick.

    How do we feel about it? This type of dialog window has a fixed width, which is why I didn't enlarge it. We could make a different version of it but it would take longer.
     
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    Good stuff. I think this makes things much more clear and has a one-for-one interaction with the UI and list of executables.
    Will people still make mistakes and mis-scroll? Probably. But they would have had to conscientiously click on the big red button to do so now.
     
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