Lets talk about Heroes.

They need nothing.

 

Heroes are garbage. Add lvl 90 lunchboxes pls

 

Complaining about Heroes shouldn't become a trend.

However, adding new weapons is sort of fun.

 

Badohsai

 

I agree with this. If we insistently complain about something, it'll create unrest and instability, and distance the player base from the moderators who don't want to give in to demands based on principle of protecting game integrity.

With that said, since we are now talking about it and I am invested in this, I made a thread here where I proposed that scrolling shields be made easier so that 1h warriors would become more competitive, not only with their 2h counterparts, but with other classes. Only with a powerful 1h+shield setup are Heroes stronger than Dark Knights (As supported in the math in this post) and if Heroes are not stronger than Dark Knights, they are entirely pointless, other than being made for fun (or their swaggy P skills, stunting on all you hoes)

So, the decision to be made is are we/the GMs willing to accept a class be pointless in favour of preserving the authenticity of the nostalgia, or would we make some slight adjustments so that the Hero class can be better balanced.

Small side note, which I'm only including because I linked to the thread I made earlier, I'm not at all saying right now that adding in Shield WA 60 is the only way to balance Heroes, just that that was the point I was trying to address in that post.

 

I agree on safeguarding each class's strong points so that we get to have a server with each class having a place. I also understand the concern about Heroes, thinking that Dark Knights are stealing their role while also having HB. Be it your suggestion or OP's, I don't know which one would be the best; BUT, DEFINITELY NOT BUFFING RAGE.

DEFINITLY

NOT.

 

All people do is complain and wanting buffs. Hero is already broken and has always been. I played Hero, you definitely need nothing new or anything buffed, period. Your class is EASY, you press ONE button, you have a shit ton of HP, your base dmg % is really high and it's an AoE at the same time. You don't need any form of improvements at all. Don't break the game more than it already is with 4th job as it is. Would be a joke.

Classes who recieved a buff, deserved it. Hero does not. Unfollowing thread, salty people who wanna be more OP for absolutely no reason only complain. Gbye

 

i love talking about heros! my favorite is batman. what's yours?

 

Not exactly sure where you're pulling your numbers from or what you're really judging; you're not telling us if you're even including whether or not everything is truly perfect (capes, gloves for excess att, or what STR or DEX goals you're trying to set for "perfect").

You don't even show us evidence in either SS or video, you're just posting numbers, which is fine, but you're not listing under what conditions other than "perfect weapons" and apples. What bosses? Perfect weapons for 1H, by the way, literally cannot exist unless you are a literal deity because perfect would imply +3 (30 on shield) and chaos finish for +5. That is actually perfection; any other shield is obviously less than perfect.

Moreover, it's a known fact that 2Hs scale harder than 1Hs and are much easier to perfect versus 1H, which requires shields, and they are a realistic goal; the odds you are listing for 1H heroes to be even as good as you're implying are slim to none. Why would you even bother labeling RKs the best weapon if only under perfection when it's clearly not happening for anyone on the server?

If you're referring to the average player, or even the great or hardcore player, the clear choice is still ST over RKs and I'm also still baffled by where you're getting these numbers.

Like Stance88 said (not tagging cuz he said he unfollowed thread), I don't think there's a point in buffing a perfectly fine class. If you're salty about heroes not being better, play another server. That's not to say you can't make suggestions or anything of the like, but be reasonable here.

All your problems under your "TL;DR" section could literally also be attributed to Paladins, who, despite their buff, are still not a party class, who also use the same weapons, and thus, who also have to go through the same scrolling problems.

What exactly are you looking for?

Equality? That's not an aspect of Maple.

Balance? Hell no that's not an aspect of Maple.

If you're operating under the premise and point that we have already diverged from the traditional v62 and made some disgusting changes, you're not wrong; every class should receive buffs, fixes, or changes, but that would be entirely on the staff. But that's still not a good enough reason, to me, to make a working class a better one when there isn't a need that calls for it.

 

Dude, your font size...

 

I'm actually surprised that I somehow started a hero crusade. Lel. I just wanted rage to not be shit.

And yes. It is shit.

 

Honestly, I'm surprised people find it bad; I find size four (the standard) to be waaay too large.

 

Wait wut, shadowers do more damage than heroes? Where did this come from Oo

 

Honestly find it hard to believe that some people are serious when they consider having a level 70 sword as end game weapon balanced.

 

Rather, it's more like the lvl 70 weapon is broken to the point of being end game?

 

Extremely broken, so broken that they don't add Heroes to boss runs because they all get auto-banned for doing insane amounts of damage

 

I don't think you understood what I meant, your other points have made sense, albeit somewhat countered by others here, but a level 70 weapon being end game is not representative of Hero's being horrible, it's only the end game weapon because it outperforms the higher level 1H-swords. Which is RK being broken, should we just nerf RK instead? Some Paladins use 1H-swords too.
Edit: this is not saying RK should be nerfed, just trying to illustrate my point

 

You can't say that based on 1 shadower that out performs heroes, majority of shadowers wont even come close to compare with the heroes on this server

 

You have a level 70 as end game weapon because it has fast attack speed just like how dks end game weapon is lvl 85 for its normal attack speed? The level of the weapon doesn't matter as long as it's actually giving you good damage.