Lets talk about Heroes.

Half of the community agrees because they have played or acknowledge that Hero is not as good as it could be and the other half disagrees even though they never played it because it won't bother them one bit if it stays the way it is. We're still waiting for a GM to comment on this though.
Heroes are not the only job with balancing issues and everyone knows that, but if you wish to suggest balancing for other jobs, please make your own topic.

 

What's wrong with this other than you not liking the fact that it's level 70? I would consider that being able to potentially use an endgame weapon at level 70 (probably the earliest among all endgame weapons? Crushed Skull is level 120, STS is level 100 (+120 dex) and sky ski is level 85, red craven is level 100, etc etc) is a BOON for the hero class.

 

Hello,

you all want to play Maple like it was back then.

Where is the issue?

Afaik Heroes deal a big chunk of damage. No need to buff here.

 

Just give heros a decent party buff, i would rather get rage then fill 15 ciders for no reason. Whats the harm in that? Im not asking for a hyper body skill

 

yep the average level 16x with DECENT gear only does like 2.2mil single target lol TriHard

 

"But Deribou, what is 'decent?'"

 

so when are we going to segue into 'Heroes' the show, that was on NBC between 2006-2010.
because alot of people felt that the show was anti-climactic and non-sensical after the first season. what do you guys think?

 

12-14atk gloves
4atk+ cape OR 3-4atk cape with str/dex/luk
a level 110 weapon with 15+ atk from max clean
Decently scrolled overall or top/bot combination
shoes with 12+stats or red
Scrolled zhelm/scar/targa

 

Wait

WutFace

 

it's 2017 bro TriHard

 

One tends to lose perspective when covered in a swath of mesos.

 

Here is your numbers:

If you want the link to the other server's post, I'll gladly give it to you so you can see the full post. As you can see, there were more information about the post and not just those numbers.

With that in mind, the opinion of the OP is skewed since the two servers have different gear. One has godly systems and ITCG while this server doesn't, so the numbers don't correspond 1 to 1 to this server. You may have also noticed that the RK falls off in DPS when you use higher attack pots, which is a trade off. That means that with no buffs, sure the RK may be more powerful, but with SI and attack pots, it will get severely out-damaged by the other swords. Another thing that Shiyui didn't put on there is the Dragon Claymore, which is by far the highest DPM weapon with SI with or without attack pots.

Heroes are naturally very tanky which is an innate bonus and also can hit up to 3 mobs unlike some other classes. Sure they may get out DPSed but a NL, but if you are hitting 3 arms in zak or 2-3 parts in HT, you are out-damaging other classes by a lot.

 

just make rage 20atk and call it a day?

 

They are not

 

THANK YOU KIMMM, All i wanted for the Hero bretheren was rage to not be useless. If it upgrades to a 30 skill, I would gladly sp reset it. The post was not to say why heroes should be stronger than drks or that nonsense. If rage can replace the cider dilemma, it would just benefit the class as a whole and knock out two birds with one stone. The lunchbox and equip stuff was not the intent of the post.

For the apple overriding problem, our guild personally do not spam apples at every moment but there is plenty of down time where someone has to use a map buff or the entire party constantly ciders. So personally i can say that it is definitely NOT useless to buff to 20.

Edit: looking through the post, i saw you weren't addressing the balancing part of rage in this post. I hope you could look at the suggestion I made.

 

if hero is becoming a solo class due to rage being useless compared to smoke for bandit and sliding in the dpm chart due to buffs for other characters then why not go full hero and make enrage passive and buff rage
or remove the cool down completely for enrage but make it stackable
or just remove the cool down for enrage

one thing about hero vs pally is gear reflects more in pally damage than hero due to hero having low dmg % (280% only!!) so if i use an 18 atk cape on a hero it won't benefit nearly as much as the paladin does

oh and standardize all buff times to HB. or at least make hs/hb on the same timer.


edit: put enrage as a passive 2nd job skill then rage as a 20 atk 4th job skill

 

These numbers are based on Royals special (+5) godly items tho.
These numbers are skewed, and do no correlate to realistic numbers of Legends.

I do not see anyone realistically making 27 dex bottoms nor making a 30 attack shield anytime soon, especially with the lack of 10% shield scrolls (Currently don't even exist).

I gave a much more realistic comparison:
https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/guide-hyoons-comprehensive-sword-comparison.12684/

And in no way (Based on my calculations), does RK ever break the DPM of ST, without and with SI.
So I'm not sure why anyone would slave away to perfect a maple shield/1h and the additional 10 slots, just to be out dpsed by someone who only had to finish 7 slots.

Your claim that RK > ST may be true at specific points, however based on full late game calculations ST just flat out wins.

 

Heroes don't need hp wash right? Cuz I'm a lvl 52 fighter and people say heroes don't need it

 

Hyoon is right, of course.