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Lets talk about nightlords...

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by WackyWarlock, Sep 11, 2023.

Should nightlords carry the financial burden of the server?

  1. Yes

    52 vote(s)
    82.5%
  2. No

    11 vote(s)
    17.5%
  1. Huiae
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    Huiae Headless Horseman

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    WeenieHutJrs
    and NL got most stable and highest single target DPM among all the classes in most of bossing situations, and low supply consume. It's eventually cons and pros, better not fall into trap like 'he got that which I don't have, it's unbalanced! I should have it too or just remove his!'. We call it diversity.

    otherwise, only solution will be removal of all the classes and make this game BeginnerLegends.
     
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  2. OP
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    WackyWarlock
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    WackyWarlock Master Chronos

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    Isn't this exactly what people are saying when they hate on NLs?
     
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  3. Huiae
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    Why I would hate NLs, they always carry carry my bossing and I love to have them.
     
  4. brunandes
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    brunandes Windraider

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    I agree that the alchemist change isn't that big a deal and people saying NL are ruined are just overreacting.

    I believe the issue is more of an accumulated frustration that many players have about the constant buffs every job is getting but somehow NL only gets nerfed.

    Many people chose to play NL in an old school server because it is the 'strongest' class from their memories. Maybe it still really is the case in PB, but most NLs haven't or will never get to that stage. For majority of other content, NL has generally lost its edge. With the recharge changes and this most recent change, the class does not even have its hyper efficient identity anymore (something often mentioned in many of the now outdated guides).
     
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Just use drain to be hyper pot efficient
     
  6. Tommygunner
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    Tommygunner Dark Stone Golem

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    i'm sorry, are all these complaints coming up because of a simple alchemist nerf? where NLs now share the same 10min timer on apple as REST OF THE CLASSES?

    also, what? bucc use 0 pots if played perfectly?? do you think buccs just sit around waiting for attack animation to begin before they use demolition? do you think they use those weak-ass hp drain skill instead of using demo unless they are going for the meme "i used only 25 honsters in HT"?
    Also buccs have afk playstyle on left side HT? LMAO, being on left side simply puts them on equal ground as most other classes, and bucc is known to be cancer on right side, so stop cherry picking your bucc examples. if buccs didnt have the iframe they do have, they'd literally be unplayable due to fact that 1)no stance half the time 2)attacks last 3 seconds 3)no damage while charging bubble

    And I cannot believe someone brought up the fact that NLs have to pay attention to their buffs to show they don't have afk play-style. Hello? do you think other classes don't have buffs?

    the fact that NL is the most popular attacker class says enough about the state of NL.
     
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    WackyWarlock
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    WackyWarlock Master Chronos

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    "NLs are strong so they deserve to be hated and suffer"
     
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  8. -ovv
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Balance is unfair ahhh
     
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  9. Huiae
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    Huiae Headless Horseman

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    You're mentioning others pros as 'something should be balanced' and others mentioning NLs pros as 'hate', I feel it's biased.
    fyi : I think i experienced every classes in ML at least till stage of HT just except pirate classes, and in my experience, most convenient in wise of QoL in playing was definitely NL.
     
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    Endorphinss Dark Stone Golem

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    Maybe it took 15 min to get to summons because you were afk
    I've never said anything about nl being a afk character
     
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    -ovv Horntail

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    NL mains who actually use apple in bossing content: “Alchemist change is fair and has been expected for awhile now.”

    NL mains who haven’t even gotten to bossing levels: “My disappointment is immeasurable and my day has been ruined.”

    B> cheap NL quitting gear
     
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  12. fartsy
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    fartsy Skelegon

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    save me some mtks
     
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    lv1crook Capt. Latanica

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    I have no idea how you can possibly lose money card hunting. I used armor piercing bullets on my sair since t5-10 and I still made a significant amount of mesos
     
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    WackyWarlock Master Chronos

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    maybe because torpedo uses 1 bullet and airstrike uses 0?
     
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    lv1crook Capt. Latanica

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    Didn’t use either at all. I used burst fire and battleship cannon/rapid fire and had 250 int. In fact I got t5-9 in 3rd job so torpedo and air strike is irrelevant. Card hunting is simply one of the best ways to make mesos regardless of circumstances
     
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    -ovv Horntail

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    TFW you get out economied by even Osslockers.
     
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    ColourOS Mano

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    They should now allow NLs to job change, and see how many of them would actually change instead of saying they would.
     
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    WackyWarlock Master Chronos

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    200stars/2 mins per shadow star cast
    5x to use 1000 stars = 10 mins = 70,000 meso (for balanced furies)
    420000 meso per hour
    + cost of summon rocks depending on the lv of the mobs
    + pot cost
     
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Osslockers don't even have shadow stars and they're making mesos by grinding
     
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  20. fartsy
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    fartsy Skelegon

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    what can mtks do that tobis can't?
     
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