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Lets talk about nightlords...

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by WackyWarlock, Sep 11, 2023.

Should nightlords carry the financial burden of the server?

  1. Yes

    52 vote(s)
    82.5%
  2. No

    11 vote(s)
    17.5%
  1. beegoratto
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    beegoratto Zakum

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    Drop from Nameless.
     
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    iPippy Nightshadow

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    What's the point of furies/mtk if I can't use them on snails?
     
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    Ferluci Zakum Retired Staff

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    I wanted to advance my lvl 156 Hermit to Nightlord after this patch.

    however

    due to this patch changes I won’t do it and will stay #1 Hermit. Thank you for the support
     
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  4. Chris
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    Chris Zakum Retired Staff

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    Probably a bad example given we are spamming shadow web or using stars bellow ilbis with maxed skills. But the alchemist change is definitely a buff to late game hermits grinding for breaking even or netting positive. (Outside the bubble of CDs)
     
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  5. -ovv
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Why is Osslocker in CDs
     
  6. Rapskal
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    Rapskal Chronos

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    While I'm all for NL nerfs, I do feel bad that the recharge costs seem to hit early-midgame sins/hermits so much harder than late-game NLs.
    But it seems like the alchemist change is already addressing this a bit, buffing the effectiveness of pots will help out midgame players way more than the nerf will affect them.
     
  7. fartsy
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    fartsy Zakum

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    just use tops/icicles and farm mobs. who trains with mtk/bfury anyway
     
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    WackyWarlock Dark Stone Golem

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    This is not an adequate solution. Why should we have to carry around different sets of stars, waste more inventory space, and sacrifice damage just to save meso?
     
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    fartsy Zakum

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    why should we carry around stacks of ciders, waste inventory space, and sacrifice damage while i can just apple? ^_____^
     
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  10. beegoratto
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    beegoratto Zakum

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    Aren't DrKs expected to invest in an entire extra weapon and accuracy gear for 7fing?
     
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  11. theducel
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    theducel Red Snail

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    100% correct, and why do shads have their Assassinate skill so short ranged? Why can't bowmen just have instant 30k hp?
    So unfair, it's almost like every class has ups and downs...
     
  12. Ainz
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    Ainz Zakum

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    Complaining about NL cost-to-play and then mentioning using BFs for card farming is wild
     
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  13. -ovv
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    -ovv Horntail

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    upload_2023-9-11_13-56-21.png

    I mean according to your own poll, it seems like an overwhelming consensus of the server believes that nightlords should carry the financial burden of the server. Thank you, shinobi sugar daddies.
     
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    WackyWarlock Dark Stone Golem

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    Idk I don't play my drk. But having multiple sets of gears is not a re-occurring cost
     
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    WackyWarlock Dark Stone Golem

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    36 people = the opinion of the entire server?
     
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  16. Ainz
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    How is it a recurring cost to have cheaper stars for farming?
     
  17. -ovv
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Why'd you even post a poll if you're going to attempt to discredit it LOL
     
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  18. Subterlabor
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    Subterlabor Headless Horseman

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    "You can't compare me to other classes"

    Lolk
     
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    Huiae Headless Horseman

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    I love irony inside this.

    so, your calc assumes NL maxed with shadow star - it's at least 150 lvl unless NL is meme char maxed SS before TT and shifter.

    1. for lv.150 NLs, in card hunting scenario, how many mobs you need to full activate balanced furies + shadow star? maybe 80% of mobs (or even more) should be able to oneshot with TT and avenger using subies w/o shadow partner, in path of tier 10 ring. that's almost neglectable mesos usage.

    2. to make your calc worth, lv.150 NL need to grind on tanky mobs just like melee classes do 7F. do they actually do so? I've seen bossers only.

    3. so in bossing scenario, almost every classes spend more $ than NLs do thanks for lack of avoid.

    Your asking just sounds on me likewise 'i want to see 6 lines with bfury/mtk on snails and still want to use almost 0 mesos'. If you're playing wrong, it'll be terrible idea not to review yourself but just asking system to match on your play.

    ps. about pot price, NLs have skill named 'drain' aswell.
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2023
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    Tarnished Pac Pinky

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    Optimizing your loadout for the task at hand is a cool and interesting mechanic

    Gear that isn't currently in use can simply be deposited at the nearest Storage NPC or FM mule, luckily everyone has access to Flash Jump to make this process easy and efficient
     
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