Make Pickpocket Great Again

Motto · Mar 9, 2021

Shadowers are great a great solo-ist class that doesn't gain much by partying up with other classes.
As such, same is for meso making.

Our pickpocket dishes out an extra 200x2 meso stack per bstep cast, this can't be stacked with Meso UP (so no 300x2 per bstep cast)

So the suggestion I'm making is to increase from 200 max meso drop, bumping it up to 300
Which per bstep cast would mean an increase of another 200 meso stack dropped (400 vs 600)

Here is a graphic relative to meso drops from mobs:

We can greatly see how, from a "high lvl" standpoint, most of the meso gains would be accredited to a MesoUP user while PickPocket would stand at a lower meso spectrum (visualizing only singular cast)

At a bstep cast the scenario would change to:

We can see how, during the real 200x2 PP would limit income at ~800 mesos the increase to 300x2 would limit income at ~1200 mesos.
Making it possible for shads to completely play solo (without having to degen with a MU mule)

Use Hashtag
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or
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The same could be applied to Meso Exploding people, possibly stacking 300 meso against 200
Which would (based upon a random forum thread I've found while searching about it http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=27895) increase the DMG by 400ish (900 to ~1300 per meso stack)

Rehab · Mar 10, 2021

#MakePickpocketGreatAgain

Ainz · Mar 10, 2021

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Tate · Mar 10, 2021

#MakePickpocketGreatAgain

ShadowRealm · Mar 10, 2021

Pickpocket is currently in an neutral state but does need some improvements.
-Having pets loot them is a big qol change.

The way Pickpocket works is that the mesos dropped are calculated equal to 1% of the total damage dealt (truncated). The lowest value is 10 and the maximum value is 200 which means the shadower needs to deal 20k damage to achieve the max 200 mesos

1) I'd say remove the 200 meso cap entirely and just have no limit because it rewards stronger players with more mesos from Pickpocket which in reality, Having no limit on pickpocket can roughly be slightly below end game leeching meso making.
An average shadower would generate between 400-600 mesos on bstep hit and an godly shad would go for 700-1000 mesos per bstep hit. But since bstep hits 4 mobs and decent range. Having no upper limit on Pickpocket is actually better

I have other stuff to make Pickpocket great again.
Theres no need to accept all of these but some possibilities.

2) Success chance is increased to 90%.
Having a higher chance means that more mesos will drop and will be more encouraging to use meso explosion especually during 3rd job since there will be more mesos to explosion increasing damage output a little bit more. But still it scales depending on your damage.

3) Assassinate should activate Pickpocket. It kinda sucks. Assassinate does not activate Pickpocket. The amount of mesos it drops is roughly a bit less than spamming boomerang step at multiple bosses but for 1v1 bosses it will be extremely handy as you can use those Pickpocket mesos as mesos for meso guard.
It does however greatly reduce potion costs as the player will not lose any money but its to bring Consistency to other shadower attacks activating it.

4) meso up needs to synergies with Pickpocket. It actually makes Pickpocket meso explosion much better no doubt. It makes more money and meso explosion does more damage at training. But sp generates more money in general if a shadower should farm.

#MakePickpocketGreatAgain

Tate · Mar 10, 2021

ShadowRealm said: ↑

Pickpocket is currently in an neutral state but does need some improvements.
-Having pets loot them is a big qol change.

The way Pickpocket works is that the mesos dropped are calculated equal to 1% of the total damage dealt (truncated). The lowest value is 10 and the maximum value is 200 which means the shadower needs to deal 20k damage to achieve the max 200 mesos

1) I'd say remove the 200 meso cap entirely and just have no limit because it rewards stronger players with more mesos from Pickpocket which in reality, Having no limit on pickpocket can roughly be slightly below end game leeching meso making.
An average shadower would generate between 400-600 mesos on bstep hit and an godly shad would go for 700-1000 mesos per bstep hit. But since bstep hits 4 mobs and decent range. Having no upper limit on Pickpocket is actually better

I have other stuff to make Pickpocket great again.
Theres no need to accept all of these but some possibilities.

2) Success chance is increased to 90%.
Having a higher chance means that more mesos will drop and will be more encouraging to use meso explosion especually during 3rd job since there will be more mesos to explosion increasing damage output a little bit more. But still it scales depending on your damage.

3) Assassinate should activate Pickpocket. It kinda sucks. Assassinate does not activate Pickpocket. The amount of mesos it drops is roughly a bit less than spamming boomerang step at multiple bosses but for 1v1 bosses it will be extremely handy as you can use those Pickpocket mesos as mesos for meso guard.
It does however greatly reduce potion costs as the player will not lose any money but its to bring Consistency to other shadower attacks activating it.

4) meso up needs to synergies with Pickpocket. It actually makes Pickpocket meso explosion much better no doubt. It makes more money and meso explosion does more damage at training. But sp generates more money in general if a shadower should farm.

#MakePickpocketGreatAgain
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Motto · Mar 14, 2021

Actually rethinking about this, I'm sure the formula is based on a formula that most likely looks like

DMG * .01
Given the 1% dmg meso drop.

This could be moved to something like
DMG * .02
A 2% dmg meso drop means 400 meso stacks

HollyCrap · Apr 30, 2021

#MakePickpocketGreatAgain

Motto · Jun 11, 2023

I kindly want to re-bump this thread.

TORONTOTOKYO · Jun 11, 2023

#buffshadMORE

fael · Jun 11, 2023

my ossyrian chief bandit agrees so much

fartsy · Jun 11, 2023

multishads agree to this too

CaptainNemo · Jun 11, 2023

Non-shad player agrees with this too.

Journalist · Jun 11, 2023

The Maple Times also endorse this suggestion.

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