Paladin end game weapon comparison: Crushed Skull Vs Dragon Claymore

akashsky · Apr 12, 2019

BurnWithin said: ↑

Of Course it is, but now i i found something weird about that calculator
the dpm of Crushed Skull is unbelievable sky high from MW10 to 20
compare to ST that look more correct

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I think you are biasing the comparison somehow. We don't know for sure unless you actually show / state what values are you are using for dex, weapon attack, and str.

BurnWithin · Apr 12, 2019

well, i won't gonna crop all of them to show u ever i do that u can still say it try to edit them somehow to bias
but u can download the excel from the original link by ur own and see it yourself

akashsky · Apr 12, 2019

BurnWithin said: ↑

well, i won't gonna crop all of them to show u ever i do that u can still say it try to edit them somehow to bias
but u can download the excel from the original link by ur own and see it yourself
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I mean you literally just come in and say something with no proof or telling us at all what stats / gear you are using. Of course I'm skeptical of that - anyone would be.

But if you don't want to show anything its whatever - just don't expect anyone to believe it.

BurnWithin · Apr 12, 2019

hm i just wanna tell you that now i realize that calculator url i bring here at the 1st place is somehow bug.

your formula should be more accurate now.

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to proof all of them in case you still doubt. (no point to type or crop them to show u since it all editable and i won't gonna take effort to record video for that)
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you can download and enter the excel file then just use the default setting (very good item like 15att cape, 22att shield, heatstopper, etc.)
and all you must do is ..
look at the DPM at MW20 provide(default set) at Crushed then compare it to ST (or anything in paladin's box)
then change to MW10 (delete 1 at MW20 and type 1 at MW10 box)
now compare the DPM at Crushed and ST again

you should realize that those dpm are unreasonable, the calculator is somehow bug.

Tan · Apr 12, 2019

So the calculator is not accurate?

bluelight · Jun 15, 2019

I think your conclusion is totaly wrong. For example the one who have end game with shield 30att and 21 str. Mean that the one use shield always have 21 str > than the one use 2hand sword => your asumpt to have same str was wrong.
=> your fomular must be
2hand sword: (str*3.542 + secondary stats)*weapatt/100
While 1h blunt: ((str+21)*3.0184 + secondary stats)*weapatt/100.

=> every 1 att skull is higher, the more 21*3.0184 is plused in.

Asumpt that only 281 att for sword and 325 att for skull.

=> final formula:
Sword 281*3.542*str = 995.302*str
Skull 325*3.0184*(str +21) = 980.98*str + 20600.58
=> so you much have 1438 to nearly catch up with a perfect shield

akashsky · Jun 15, 2019

bluelight said: ↑

I think your conclusion is totaly wrong. For example the one who have end game with shield 30att and 21 str. Mean that the one use shield always have 21 str > than the one use 2hand sword => your asumpt to have same str was wrong.
=> your fomular must be
2hand sword: (str*3.542 + secondary stats)*weapatt/100
While 1h blunt: ((str+21)*3.0184 + secondary stats)*weapatt/100.

=> every 1 att skull is higher, the more 21*3.0184 is plused in.

Asumpt that only 281 att for sword and 325 att for skull.

=> final formula:
Sword 281*3.542*str = 995.302*str
Skull 325*3.0184*(str +21) = 980.98*str + 20600.58
=> so you much have 1438 to nearly catch up with a perfect shield
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akashsky said: ↑

1. Both players have the same total dex and strength (note that this is false because shields also give STR, but I will take that into account later)
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akashsky said: ↑

Also to take into account that shields can give extra STR, I will simply add extra weapon attack to the shield at the ratio of 5 str = 1 weapon attack.
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Now, if you have any feedback regarding my assumption that 5str = 1 weapon is incorrect, or if you have any better ideas on how to account for the extra 21 str, I am all ears.

Even if I am slightly wrong on my approximation, I am very confident that this will not change the final conclusion that Dragon Claymore is superior to crushed skull.

bluelight · Jun 15, 2019

akashsky said: ↑

Now, if you have any feedback regarding my assumption that 5str = 1 weapon is incorrect, or if you have any better ideas on how to account for the extra 21 str, I am all ears.

Even if I am slightly wrong on my approximation, I am very confident that this will not change the final conclusion that Dragon Claymore is superior to crushed skull.
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I havent tested the perfect godly like those item. But also still have problem in your fomular. That you ignore the secondary stats because the fomular you gave: AVE = (Primary Stat*0.77 + Secondary Stat) * Weapon Attack / 100
=> for example both have 100 dex mean that the higher 1 att will also be multiply by 100 too. Mean that If you want to point out, you should better give all the perfect scolled also dex and str. Or you have video of those godly equip test dps.

akashsky · Jun 15, 2019

bluelight said: ↑

I havent tested the perfect godly like those item. But also still have problem in your fomular. That you ignore the secondary stats because the fomular you gave: AVE = (Primary Stat*0.77 + Secondary Stat) * Weapon Attack / 100
=> for example both have 100 dex mean that the higher 1 att will also be multiply by 100 too. Mean that If you want to point out, you should better give all the perfect scolled also dex and str. Or you have video of those godly equip test dps.
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Ok this is a fair point. I don't think that an end game warrior would have tooo much dex though, so lets say they both have 100 dex.

In the perfect scenario, 2H user has 281 attack, 1H user has 325 attack

The weapon attack difference is 44. So 44*100 = 4400 more numerically speaking than the 2h user from the dex term. But, an end game warrior will have well over 1000 str. Counting all the boosts, I don't think its unreasonable for an end game warrior to have 1200 str.

So, but then we need to look at the strength term.
Damage formula 2H sword:
AVE = (STR*3.542 + Secondary Stat) * Weapon Attack / 100

Damage Formula 1H BW:
AVE = (STR*3.0184 + Secondary Stat) * Weapon Attack / 100

So for 2h sword we got 3.542*1200*281 = 1194362.4

for 1h BW user we got 3.0184*1200*325 = 1177176

Subtracting those, the difference is still 17,186.4, which is much greater than 4400. So this means that the relative dex advantage from the 1H user isn't enough to beat the 2H user.

So, my calculations are not 100% correct, as I am not really account for the dex term. However, it still doesn't really change the conclusion since the dex term ends up being pretty minor.

bluelight · Jun 17, 2019

akashsky said: ↑

Ok this is a fair point. I don't think that an end game warrior would have tooo much dex though, so lets say they both have 100 dex.

In the perfect scenario, 2H user has 281 attack, 1H user has 325 attack

The weapon attack difference is 44. So 44*100 = 4400 more numerically speaking than the 2h user from the dex term. But, an end game warrior will have well over 1000 str. Counting all the boosts, I don't think its unreasonable for an end game warrior to have 1200 str.

So, but then we need to look at the strength term.
Damage formula 2H sword:
AVE = (STR*3.542 + Secondary Stat) * Weapon Attack / 100

Damage Formula 1H BW:
AVE = (STR*3.0184 + Secondary Stat) * Weapon Attack / 100

So for 2h sword we got 3.542*1200*281 = 1194362.4

for 1h BW user we got 3.0184*1200*325 = 1177176

Subtracting those, the difference is still 17,186.4, which is much greater than 4400. So this means that the relative dex advantage from the 1H user isn't enough to beat the 2H user.

So, my calculations are not 100% correct, as I am not really account for the dex term. However, it still doesn't really change the conclusion since the dex term ends up being pretty minor.
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yeah after caculated i found that sword is better too when use heartstopper and apple

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