Remove NLC Pots

Not gonna comment about whether this is a good suggestion, but this part caught my eye. Let's see.

1 hour of grinding at skeles require about 600 ginseng roots for me. They cost 2,100 mesos each, so that's at a total cost of 1.26m mesos.

They heal 40% of HP and MP, giving me a total of 749 HP and 4982 MP per pot.

749 * 600 = 449400 HP
4982 * 600 = 2989200 MP

Other alternatives I would use if there were no NLC pots:
Sunset Dew - 5100 MP for 10,200 mesos
Unagi - 1000 HP for 1,100 mesos

To get the same amount of HP and MP that I would have gotten from ginseng roots, I would need to spend a total of 6.5m in pots (for an hour of grinding).

If people are willing to pay around 8-10m/hour for leech, then yes your suggestion of leeching making up the cost of training would be viable.

 

Ok, I see what you want, you want mages to becomes obsolete, only mage class that will actually be able to sustain themselves will be bishops, since thats the only job that people would be willing to pay 8-10m for leech.

Then you have the other 2 mage classes, 6k mana per attack, AT LEVEL 10, and people dont like buying leech from them, because no hs. Are you seriously trying to kill your own class?

 

No, you have to be able to afford potions, which you will not be able to do without NLC pots as a mage, because it takes 6k mana at level 10. And noone will buy leech that expensive. You will lose more mesos than you will make, is it so hard to understand?

Incase you don't understand this, mages will use 10m or so per hour, and without selling leech, the most you could make with some very good luck would be 5-8m. Also to add to this, mages do not have heal, so they also need hp potions, wow, more costs.

So, see what the problem is?

 

Leech costs right now are minimum 5m/hour, taking meso and equipment loot into consideration (so yes, I pick up items). Whatever else that comes from leech payment is the profit we make. If pot costs are going to increase by 5m, expect leech prices to go up proportionally. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that nobody is going to offer leech at no profit to themselves, unless you're helping friends out.

Fair that you made a disclaimer that you never been a bishop at skeles, but if you have been you would see how healing is pretty much non-relevant to pot costs. Their magic attack hits for 3.5K+, meaning it's basically a 2 hit ko for us. Considering every one of us (at best) 2-hit skeles, there would be little or no time to heal in between genesis. Especially when you may have 3-5 skeles blasting their magic attacks at you at one time after the first genesis. It's not just about killing them, healing, and waiting for the next spawn.

 

Neko didn't say he agreed with your post.

The point I am trying is that you're not in the range of players that are affected by these potions. This is like taking away mana elixirs from lower level characters. These potions are in no way affecting you positively, or negatively. You're level 89. I am not dissing your level. Your level is an accomplishment in itself. However the mana usage of your level compared to that of those that you are referring to is incomparable. You're asking to change something that does not affect you and have no experience as to how the costs affect you or the potions affect you. You said so yourself that you have no experience in this matter.

I will not disagree that the higher levels, mostly Bishops, carry a large amount of the weight in meso, but that is why a majority of them chose that class to begin with. But this is true as much as it is the fact that they earned it. People pick their classes also based on how they want to play the game and their funding. Bishops are GREAT for funding. They are the funding class of Maplestory. Classes like NL and Bowman are more centered towards bossing, and require more funding.

I am 100% against this suggestion, which I feel I've made painfully obvious. Every suggestion is looked at and appreciated. I should reword myself, it's not that I don't understand you're suggestion, because I do. Personally, I just don't see NLC pots as any bit negative or needing to be removed.

 

You do realize you're the only one asking/whining/protesting for this right? That and Ryan who strangely agrees with you. Aside from that point, if I were buying sunset dews for the rest of my life, my price of leech and others I can safely say we'd charge at least double or triple the amount thus there will be a rampant inflation in leech due to your suggestion. And if NLC pots were removed I can't even begin to understand why you would think that there would be inflation when there are lots of items in the FM has been deflating? Have you even been looking at the stores? I know I wrote a response to your post earlier in the other thread and I could have just copy and pasted but clearly you don't understand how economics work.

 

I can say the same, Lionheart. GMS was my domain before big bang, but this is not GMS. The economy works different than GMS as the player base isn't the same.

There are more issues affecting my gameplay in MapleLegends than you know about. While I love this server very much, I don't have as much time to level as I'd wish. I also specifically said I was not bashing your level, please, do not feel offended! You're opinions matter just as much as everyone else. I simply feel as though you are overestimating the effects of NLC pots on the server.
Taking these off of the server does more to hurt it than it does to help it.

I have put my opinion down, as you asked for one of the staff members to voice. I have nothing left to say.

 

iit: thank one guy looking for an ~authentic challenge~ because his dopamine receptors have become worn down by long playtime and are no longer getting any buzz off playing the game at the normal level.

 

So basically, you want mage ultimates to be too expensive to use and for mages to have to train with other 4th jobs skills. You want what makes mages viable as a choice (since they are useless at bosses ) to not be usable anymore.

Seems like a very smart way to solve inflation. Kappa

 

I'm not necessarily for this idea, but I think its important to look at the math to see whether or not bishops would actually have to charge 2-3x as much for leech if these pots were removed.

This is going mostly off of what Noodles said:
Current:
-Pot costs = -1.25mil per hour
-Leech = +5mil per hour
-Drops = +1-2mil per hour (probably, this should be confirmed by bishops)
For a total profit of around 5 mil per hour PLUS bonus exp for having 1 leecher

No NLC Pots:
-Pot costs = -6.5mil per hour
-Leech = 5-15mil per hour (Including not changing the price and what people are saying they'll need to increase leech price to)
-Drops = 1-2mil per hour
For total profit of -.5mil (worst case scenario with drops and lowest price leech) --> 10.5 (most expensive leech and drops) mil per hour Plus bonus exp from a leecher

So before you say ridiculous things, like tripling the price of leech, remember that this won't make training impossible or make leeching unviable. A bishop is still getting boosted exp AND profit from just a small increase in leech price if nlc pots are removed. Maybe bishops should be more reasonable with what they'll accept from leeching profit. (lol jk bishops please love me)

That being said, i'm not a huge fan of this idea. It seems to screw over every class that isn't a mage just to balance bishops, and is a misguided attempt at solving some of the balance issues with maple.

 

Ok, I see that you cant understand simple logic or math, discussing this with you is pointless, have fun trying to get this implemented.

Won't happen ever, but good luck trying.

 

You do realize that NLC pots have nothing to do with what you get from gachapon right? And Sam based off of Noodles' leech pricing, doubling the price would be perfectly normal however, there are quite a few bishops who charge 7-7.5m/hr at skeles (not to mention there's also one who sells at 10-12m at current costs). If the current pots were sunset dews, I wouldn't be surprised if they sold it for 15m/hr (which was an estimate from Franco) which thus would be triple Noodles' leeching price.

 

If mages are making huge profits from leeching, sure, removing NLC pots will make them earn less. But what about all the other classes who also depend on those cost efficient pots, who are already burning through their wallets even with access to the NLC pots? (Mainly warriors and other 4th jobs depend a lot on NLC pots, and even more for dks who are going for 30k hp.) You can't simply suggest an idea where the trade offs will damage the rest of the game even harder than mages.

 

This was a a good laugh lad, no way in hell this will get accepted.

 

I have never paid for leeching and if I was ever leeched it wasn't by a bishop, get your facts straight.