Remove NLC Pots

I think these potions make the game way too easy. When you are higher level, it's really easy to make money. And also, when you are higher level, that's when these potions become very efficient, and their recovery per meso just keeps going up and up as you get stronger. Eventually this is just going to ruin the server economy with inflation.

Now I already saw what some people replied. Will this hurt players struggling for money? Generally, it won't. It won't because these potions only really become good at higher levels. Barbarian elixirs are an average deal, but Sorcerer elixirs are quite a steal. Still, it would be a while until most characters other than mages even get MP reasonably above 1500 to use these effectively. By that time, you should be on stable financial footing anyway.

Then there's the honsters, mana bulls, ginger ales... They make elixirs and power elixirs obsolete. By removing or making these potions much more expensive, the people who really get hit are the high level mages and bishops. And guess what? Everyone agrees they do pretty damn well anyway!

So are you high level players struggling with money? I don't mean to sound like an elitist prick, but you're just doing something wrong. Skills like genesis, meteor shower, and blizzard are SUPPOSED to be expensive. That is their one balancing and redeeming quality in the name of balance, and yet NLC pots make their expense laughable. But then there's leeches. Just by leeching, you more than make up the cost of your training. So why complain if your pots get more expensive?

TLDR: Remove NLC pots for the good of the server, despite player whining and protests. Just do it. Failure to do so means rampant inflation will be upon us.

 

I think whether or not they're in GMS doesn't mean a thing. Who knows why they came up with these items and added them in at such ridiculous prices in the first place? It really doesn't make any sense. I remember my nostalgic experience with MS a long time ago. The best potions were reindeer milks and sunset dews... and of course, elixirs and power elixirs if they were available. My only guess is they wanted NLC to seem like some cool place, and the only reason anyone would ever visit their new little chunk of content was iTCG and special OP pots.

Of course, with all these new potions far more superior to everything else that came before them, players would be happy. Do you think everyone on this server would be happy if they suddenly gained 50 million mesos? I think they would at first. But then the economic consequences set in. If you look at GMS and EMS servers, every single one of them is plagued by out-of-control inflation. Look at Royals too. Sometimes you wonder if mesos are even worth anything.

 

Nah, I just know Neko can get through this without breaking a sweat.

All you have to do is increase your leeching price! Or start hoarding elixirs....

 

It really depends on the level of blizzard and meteor storm. Maximum cost at 3400 x2 MP per cast should be more like 13,600 mp per cast. It gets lower than that at max level. Bishops, the most notorious leechers have it cheaper without amp. It's a minor nitpick, but anyway, that's a good question. Would you want to spend that much per meteor or blizzard shower? Maybe if the cost caused people to hesitate, these ultimates wouldn't be used willy nilly as a fast and easy tool to shoot up in levels. Maybe if NLC pots never existed in the first place, we wouldn't have 10 of the top 15 ranked as mage classes, and all 5 of the top 5.

Also, I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I didn't say we should remove those other elixirs. In fact, maybe they could be changed a bit. Thief elixir could give 20 avoidability, bowman elixir 20 accuracy. I mean, there's bless anyway. Doesn't seem like if these two potions were changed to something a bit more useful it would hurt. But I do think the cost of stuff like grilled cheese and supreme pizza could also be adjusted slightly..

And who leeches the high levels? Obviously someone who is also higher level or even stronger, right? Either way, if the pot cost increases, so will the leeching cost. Maybe to the point where it's not worth leeching and would be more cost-effective to train yourself.

Mages are a hot topic because of all the feelings (both for and against) this community has about leeching. Also, this change would affect mages the most. If you have 10,000 MP, a modest estimate by time a mage class hits 4th job, a mana bull will recover 6000 MP, but it only costs 2.8k.

Sunset Dew: 5000 MP / 10200 meso = .49 mp per meso
Mana Bull: 6000 MP / 2800 meso = 2.14 mp per meso

And this disparity only gets bigger the higher level you get, and with HB. Most other classes aren't affected nearly as much. There's the warrior classes and brawlers though. Once you hit around 4.8k HP, it's also more efficient to just use honsters to recover your HP.

My point is it's too damn easy. 2.8k meso a pop, recover 6000, 8000, 10000 MP no problem. On top of selling leeches. It's practically a free ride! The point is to just make the game more difficult as it should have been. You know what else was also a big part of Maplestory? Trading off meso gain and efficient pot usage for leveling speed. With these NLC pots, we toss it all out the window. It's nothing to do with rich vs poor.

@Kimberly , @Navi , @Gi , @Sam_Vosh

I'd much appreciate if all the spammy one word (or equivalent responses) are gone. I do specifically remember you admins agreeing it was spam. So hey gaiz. If you strongly disagree with this topic but are too lazy to write something constructive, Like someone else who actually managed to form a coherent argument.

 

Irrelevant? How so? Sure, they were there at v62. And I'm sure they were there in the update NLC came out in. But they weren't in before.

So should the server be locked into pure vanilla v62? Should we not be allowed to take out things and add features from other versions? I strongly disagree.

 

You know what? I'm using them NOW on my lv 81 mage. I've barely got 6k MP, but the thing is that these potions are so imbalanced, it's actually more cost efficient to sell any normal MP pots I find, then use those mesos for more mana bulls.

So yes, if I were them, I'd use them. I am using them. And I'm only doing it because they're there, and they're the most efficient potion. If everyone else has access to the potions, I see no reason not to use them as well. I'd only be putting myself at a retarded self-imposed disadvantage if I decided to only use sunrise dews, meanwhile Billy Bishop gets 5x the bang for his buck. You just can't compete to buy scrolls when your costs are that much higher than others'.

Strangely, Neko actually liked the OP. Maybe he could explain why.

If the suggestion doesn't make sense, I don't know what to tell you. Go back and re-read it? No, that probably won't work.

Gee, I don't know. Is it such a hard concept to get that maybe grinding at high levels is too cost-efficient? That the potions are too strong for their cheapness? That maybe once upon a time potions that healed a percent of your HP/MP were a lot more rare and not merely found at NPCs? Is it really hard to understand that if someone is only paying 2.8k for potions when normally they'd be paying like 20k, there will be economic repercussions down the road?