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Desirable HP for a Crossbowman

Discussion in 'Help & Advice' started by Charles445, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Charles445
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    Hey all, I'm planning on washing a crossbowman to ideally do two things.
    • Be able to attempt Pianus and Papulatus without hyper body
    • Have enough HP for Horntail at 150 with hyper body

    What I'm NOT trying to do is
    • Tank a hit from Bigfoot, Anego, or The Boss (This all seems unreasonable... do crossbowmen even do Showa stuff?)
    • Tank more than one hit from bosses (Double is a ton more HP)
    • Do Horntail without hyper body (I'm under the impression that crossbowmen have a harder time washing than night lords)

    I have a spreadsheet set up to do HP wash calculations already, the two questions I have are:
    • What HP range is actually given using AP for a Crossbowman? I've seen two different answers on these forums.
    • What's a good HP goal for this sort of crossbowman? ~6200 at 150 seems to be a good destination.

    Thanks for any assistance on this.
     
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    Very interested to see what kind of answers you get thinking of washing myself very late in game idk idk if it'll actually work
     
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    Alright I can answer that question:
    Horntail with Hyper body? 5200 base HP should do fine but 5700 is a very nice number.
    Papulatus without Hyper body? 7700 and preferably slightly more.

    These numbers are just to become a 2 hit kill instead of a 1 hit.
     
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    Thanks for the Horntail info, specific numbers like that are very helpful.
    What causes the need for 7.7k at papulatus? I'm not aware of any attacks of his that do that much.
     
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    https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...ng-spreadsheet-calculator-thief-archer.13150/

    I made a google sheet that nicely calculates what you'll need, INT wise starting at level 10.

    Typically 5.6k is reccommended for Horntail (without hyperbody). If you plug in 5.6k hp into the sheet, along with lv 150, the average INT you require will be about 80. Since this is at level 10, I reccomend that you shoot for 90-100 int in total.

    You can decrease the amount of INT you require by either lowering your HP goal or increasing the level at which you want to reach that goal.
     
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    I am very curious to see the answers for this thread as a am a xbowman myself. When I add level-up AP into HP. I get any number between 16 - 20. I have no idea on what it takes for me to get have my hp to increase by 20 every time.
     
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    I read up on fryber actually! Started pumping INT at lvl 80 or so throughout 80-120, till base INT was 170. According to my calculations, this got them ~5800 HP by 160, assuming what thugric said about HP increases being 16-20 is correct.

    EDIT: Fixed to 170, wasn't 200
     
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    By borrowing INT gears I finished washing at 148, was leveling with like 250 INT more often than not.
     
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    You can't get 20 every time, it's random.
     
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    Body 1 of Papulatus only does 3 or 4k at best.
    Body 2 of Papulatus flies around like crazy and on touch will deal 7.5k. That's why having more is nice.
     
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    7700 for papu? the most you can get hit for at that boss is 5kish something from 2nd body touch. Why would you need 7.7k? As for HT, 5.6k hp is what you would require to survive at HT without hb after legs/tails. Less than 5.6k means that you would get one shot by heads if you get debuffed and don't get hb right away which can happen, especially since sometimes you could get unlucky enough to have mid head aggro and get random dispells.
     
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    Alright, all the information here is very helpful! There's one last thing, and it's more of a sanity check than anything else.

    I already have a crossbowman (made before I knew about washing) and it's level 65. It's quite a bit past when people normally start washing, but it's potentially not a lost cause.

    The pros of keeping the old is the satisfaction of saving the character / not having to do PQs again / not getting to level 65 again.
    The con is getting HP goal at a later level, and significant damage reduction going there, since base INT is increasing instead of DEX.

    There are a couple options, but here I've broken down into five possible ones.
    1. Have the current character reach 6.2k HP by lvl 150, with 11-25% damage reduced getting there.
    2. Have the current character reach 6k HP by lvl 150, with 8-19% damage reduced getting there.
    3. Have the current character reach 5.7k HP by lvl 150, with 5-13% damage reduced getting there.
    4. Make a new character, reach 6.3k by lvl 150, with around 8-12% damage reduced.
    5. Make a new character, reach 5.9k by lvl 150, with around 4-6% damage reduced.

    ... Actually, looking at the numbers here, deleting the character makes less and less sense.
    Still, it's tough to pick a game plan, I'm really not sure how disastrous this sort of damage reduction is.

    (fryber was operating under a 27% reduction at 120, getting to roughly 22% reduction at 148, as far as I can tell).

    Any thoughts?
     
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    go for option 3

    anything over 5.6k is basically luxury (not necessary)

    it hurts to have reduced damage, so reduce the reduced damage as much as you can
     
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    Alright, sounds like I'm keeping this character around, that's a relief (starts browsing zakum service threads).

    Oh, unrelated question but a bit pressing as I'm almost at 70, what's the skill people usually leave un-maxed for crossbowman? There's Blessing of Amazon, Focus, Crossbow Booster, and Soul Arrow.

    Is blessing of amazon maxed, focus maxed, crossbow booster maxed, and soul arrow 7 a good idea? (SA syncs up with CB's timer pretty well like that)
     
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    personally I maxed soul arrow (max level is 10 minute duration, double of both maple warrior and sharp eyes in 4th job) instead of blessing of amazon
    I considered blessing of amazon pretty useless (archers have enough acc as it is)
    it's up to you though
     
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