My Philosophy... on X-Mas 2020 Balance Changes

Implementing a change just to cover up an existing problem and not tackling the root cause is just meh, even worse affecting players who wish to play the game correctly.

Like what the staff had said making it harder doesn’t mean it’s not possible to do so, and people will find a way to do so eventually. The whole issue will be just a rinse and repeat.

 

I thought it was obvious that the balance teams are constantly finding ways to discourage leeching - or specifically selling/buying leech. And when something bad happens to the leech economy, lots of leech sellers gets angry.

I don't have a mage account, so I can't relate. But is LeechStory fun? I for one, cannot stand grinding 7f for more than 40 minutes. I have no idea how people tolerate hours of selling leeches.

 

Just personal wishes.

let 1~6F mobs immune to freeze and jump, but don't touch 7F.
sairs and MMs are innocent from that 'braindead effortless 2IL-duo leech' and even if 7F still gets frozen, IL won't sell leech in 7F since there's no afkable spot in 7F anyway.

still have a small wish to see below happens

Spoiler: GO! Magikarp!

(translation : Magidlekarp used SPLASH, nothing happened) - written in korean.
Nice nerf for 7F grinders since they'll get way lower EPH cuz it's hella fun to see, hard to focus on grinding lulz

 

Netflix is necessary for a great leech seller

 

Eh, honestly I don't think grinding at Neo Tokyo as a mage is fun at all, especially with the insane amount of debuffs you get and there's like literally only four maps there.
Odaiba should be okay-ish to grind but the Overloads are annoying as fuck, Park map is super big and I don't think it's even efficient grinding there. For NTPQ it should still be alright but again, unless you have like another client that has unlocked the NT prequests up till NTPQ to HS yourself while you're there, the potion/ACP cost is not worth it for the little experience you get there. Not to mention the limited amount you can enter NTPQ per day.(I've solo-ed NTPQ on my I/L and it's not that bad, but just I'd rather grind at Petris or somewhere else). For Akihabara rooftop, the map is annoying for your pet to loot stuffs on and the map is pretty wide too, casting blizzard twice or thrice to kill like 3 or 4 Eruwaters and then repeat the process countless time isn't worth the pot money. Tokyo Skies is just ass.

And I don't really care about Shaolin mobs jumping around but making Blizzard not being able to freeze mobs is just weird. While Guardian is buffed to give "tankiness" and "survivability" to warriors, I/L mages at Shaolin are having an identity crisis.

And I don't think theres really the need to tell all the multi-clienting leechers to just die or something.
If you don't like leeching, just don't leech lol. No ones stopping you from grinding alone or with your friends while not leeching.
Some also made the effort of making their mules or what-so-ever too. For example, the SI nerf for mages hit me like 3 weeks after I made my SI mule lol. Guess it's I shall go die for trying to have my buyers enjoy higher EPH to make their money worth.

Brb imma go die in a fire.

 

Being honest here but this server will always be regarded to as LeechStory until the staff actually tackle the problem of HP washing and just make it a non issue with either manually giving the needed classes (Bowman, Thiefs) a boosted HP increase of say 2k HP or make more equips readily available at the start for new players journeys that grant HP so they usually don't get pissed off and end up quitting when they keep getting asked if they washed or not when they already made it passed 4th job.

 

I know leech its a "counter productive" thing on a server that is supposed to be "challenging". but its kinda clown trying to discourage it cause actually its the only way to make mesos that is not getting boomed by the economy. bossing became so worthless in mesos now (especially HT) and also scrolls are getting undervalued too. as its true that leech became the base of the economy in all this time on the 5 years the server its up. i think its too late as always to try to change a thing that became a hard base on the economy. but ok you guys have your reasons to still discourage leech.

Also, i dissagre on that part of neo tokyo grind. i dont think any I/L are going to want to grind there. its a waste of pots and all-cure potions and even in the best part for grind (2100 Map) the eph its pretty garbage. those map are so so bad designed and the buff was done in a wrong way. i would not call it a buff at all cause it didnt solve anything.

AS i dissagre like everyone that I/L cant freeze on shaolin, i mean, why an entire class have to get punished for some sweaty players that are using all the features? because if you can do it and its legal its called a FEATURE. but whatever. in my honest opinion. Shaolin shouldn't never existed in first place. and its the worst idea that was implemented on this server. as a reason why level 200 doesnt worth anything and its easy like a 4x rate server. Shaolin is harmful to the server and you guys know it. this stupid counter-measures only bring more polemic and not a solution.

Alas, i have a love-hate relationship on all balance changes.

 

Typical balance changes reactions.
-When something gets nerfed.. "omg people crying/ranting about their class nerfed because their usage became restricted WAHHHH. CHANGE THE SHIT BACK OR IM GOING TO UNINSTALL THIS GAME. " 2 days later they continue to play the game only pretending nothing ever happen.
-When something gets buffed.. "OMFG LETS F**** GO HYPPPEE TRRAINNNNNNNNNN, PLS FINISH PATCH ASAP LEGGO"

I/L still has obv4 though... and that was the norm ever since shaolin never existed. Still don't get why people get upset that I/l can't freeze anymore.
You can always smuggle HS Mule? Just tp rock over there and provide door to others for leech. I just don't get it....
Shaolin is op to begin with, accept it. Nerfs have to be deserved.

 

You’re not able to enter oblivion4 unless you have finished the quests for it. Tele rocking and dooring won’t work.

 

Just like some people enjoy bossing for hours other enjoy grinding for the same amount of time. I know I do.

 

The real pepega parts of the balance patch are the def increases. I have absolutely no idea what the staff is trying to achieve with that (20 def is like 10 points of damage reduced)

 

I'm a casual player, I have a full-time job, and I don't have time to organize HT runs that take ~3 hours for 2 runs.

But I do have time to sell 2 hours of 5-6 leech on my IL or grind for 2 hours at 7F on my Shad. I personally like having the ability to pause whenever I want, which you can't do when bossing.

People have different preferences. I like that when I duo mage with a friend, I have someone to talk to for a couple hours as opposed to focusing super intensely on HT seds and dispels.

 

Also is everyone forgetting that you need 1418 TMA to 1-hit at Oblivion 4? LOL I'm pretty well-funded as a mage (better funded than my Shad) but even then I'd have to get to level 190 for Oblivion 4 to be worthwhile. Let me just pull 25 levels out of my ass real quick.

IL isn't dead or necessarily unplayable with these changes, but I don't think it was fully a good idea to implement so many nerfs all in one patch.

 

bishops nerfed.. i/l nerfed.. guess whos next

 

I couldn't tell if this was a serious post or not, so if it isn't just ignore my comments.

I think you missed the point of the majority of comments in the posts. Most people were complaining about class identity. There is no reason to make an I/L over F/P. I know you may not understand this because you have never played a mage before so I will fill in the gaps in knowledge that you may not have.

For most mages training progression looks like this once they hit 120: utilize shaolin to get to 130, 1 hit ulu2 until you can 1 hit petris, 1 hit petris, and then finally make the transition to 5-6 shaolin. You can do shaolin at any conjunction post-120, but this is usually the optimal path to be able to upgrade your gear and afford pots via selling leech. Because most training spots involve 1 hitting the mob, I/L only really get to use their freeze advantage at 5-6F which is now gone. This means there is no reason to ever make an F/P over an I/L. This is problematic in terms of game design.

I'm confused as to why you think you can hit 15 mobs at once at ob4 with blizzard. Spoiler: You can not.

I'm not sure why you admit you are a non-mage player but are commenting with so much authority on alternatives for I/L's. None of your alternatives are actually viable alternatives. You'd be better off just sucking up the change and attacking at 5-6 without the freeze. You also seem misinformed on multi-channel leeching if you think they are hoarding maps; I promise you the level 12x bishops hitting 20-30k lines at ulu2 and the 14-15x bishops with no funding soloing 5-6 maps while doing 40k lines are a much bigger problem than anyone multi-clienting or mutli-channeling at any map.

Also I'm going to go ahead and say you might want to seek out a therapist if you feel so strongly about leech in an online mushroom game, going so far as to tell leechers to "all die in a fire." Big yikes from me.