Should Aufheben EV Be Higher?

Would it be all that crazy if Auf had a chance to drop MW20?

 

helm service looks pretty nice to have as a 5 man

 

If lowered to 70-80m it’s prob not negative to ev if you can fill more consistently

 

The main reason to run auf should be the helmet, so I think its in a fine place.

As much as I would love to see the removal of the one of a kind restriction (to let runners upgrade without punishment), it does kind of go against the unique boss drop design of the server (where every untradeable boss equipment is one of a kind).

If players want to profit from the boss, auf helm service is the way. As more rich nightlords enter the server, the demand for the service should go up considering how difficult it is to get into a run with that class.

 

Every other high allstat helm has always been overtuned

 

auf should drop mw30 in very low chances like 1%ish, imo, considering it's designed as PB-tier boss in JMS.

 

The demand for service, and helms in general, only seems to be going down I think. I’d imagine a lot of players are catching on to the fact that they can realistically upgrade other gear for similar cost efficiency without locking the upgrade to an untradable one of a kind equip.

 

On the other hand, if the boss was simply worth players' time without requiring selling the helms, then there'd be more runs available to join. Rich NLs are not incapable, and it's indicative of bad design somewhere along the road that it is better to pay large amounts of money than to actually interface with the content. Is it because farming is still too good and scalable? Is it because other bosses are too good and scalable?

All that said, there are still other problems plaguing pallyhaven than EV, which restrict what can realistically be done. Between the virtual requirement of competent bishops (one of the very classes the server has gone to great lengths to keep as hs/hs mules), the unrealistic washing requirement for ranged classes (HB is another class we've tried to keep down) and the do-it-all nature of paladin damage simultaneously making both single target and cleave classes undesirable (pally IED kekw), there isnt that much flexibility in building an auf squad even if players wanted to. Even as a Good Class(tm), I'd imagine players can struggle to make/find a squad to run with due to an exclusive and ever shrinking runner pool.

Auf may well be lucrative in a 1bs/1bucc/3-4 pally squad with a potential buyer; doesn't mean it's healthy.

 

The best time to run Auf was 10 months ago while there were still Paladins left. The second best time to run Auf is never because there’s so few fucking Paladins left.

 

it cannot be higher because it will overtune pallies and buccs.

 

Maybe make auf have a chance to drop scg?

 

two things that I thought with the same logic:
(and I'm going to take advantage of your post that talks about one of them): Auf Hat and Mon, I believe that if I could loot more than one there would be a lot more people interested

 

Increase expedition size for aufheaven, so its easier to do Auheaven and do services. From 6 to 8/10/12 people

 

increase expedition size to 8/10/12 pls. class inclusivity is important.

 

Did staff seriously create a boss where it is so unbalanced that endgame night lords need to purchase service instead of being a runner? Seems like extremely bad design. Its not even like a zhelm/htp situation where buyers are too low lvl to be runners.

 

It honestly never made sense to me why anyone would buy auf service. Everyone is high enough level and should be able to contribute in some way. The only reason someone should have to pay is if they're literally sitting there doing nothing and loot helm imo.

It's not like the helm is a necessity like earlier ones. People should be able to use scar/zak to wear their gears still. And it's a very small upgrade for most classes.

 

Melee jobs perform as well or better than ranged jobs here so you don't automatically have SE in every party which means it's harder to get a slot for a NL (let alone multiple NL). Especially considering there's only 6 slots and a hero/bishop for dispel and a pinner are pretty much mandatory meaning there's only 4 slots left.

Increasing expedition size from 6 to 12 is probably going to alleviate the issue alot.

Either way defence up only being able to be countered by hero/bishop sucks.