Should Aufheben EV Be Higher?

Mages are viable bossers. They're just not meta, and most mages aren't funded like other attackers.
Or are you going to try to convince me that a level 200 fully funded I/L mage can't out dpm the typical level 155 paladin in a 12 man run?

 

Why are most mages not funded like other normal attackers? Outside of a few anomalies, the entire server don't even consider mages as part of characters available for bossing. If you are not aware of that, not sure what game u have been playing.

 

Situational being the keyword. As of now there is almost no benefit of going mage over bishop for a new player.

 

mage damage isnt that bad xd

 

It's not fair to look at the current meta where the most popular bosses are essentially oblivious to people shooting them for like 30 minutes straight and say mages are not popular for bossing - the content is what's lacking.

If I were a boss, as a tanky single target, I'd be doing everything I can to negate single target DPM. In ML unfortunately that negation largely comes in the form of DR, Weapon Cancel, and HP checks which are widely recognized as lame because there's no counter-play or skill expression. There are so many other options available, maybe for example getting hit by Auf Orb cuts your DPM in half unless you duck it - then people can AFK and pop apples if they want, or focus up

Auf and NT as a whole are a breath of fresh air where bosses go a bit beyond soak bullets, afk-check, drain pots, and throw up weapon cancel. I think having a lower EV allows Auf to be more difficult to clear because players wouldn't be missing as much if they decide they don't want to invest the effort, though maybe she's a bit too unpopular currently.

 

Because words matter and you’re making a claim that mages aren’t viable. Just because something isn’t meta doesn’t mean it’s not viable.

If you can’t see why we’re going “off-topic” in order to draw parallels to the topic on hand, I can’t help you.

 

i dont think the meta is mage. making shads and nls are the meta now. and pally, bucc mules.

 

Thanks for your definition. Everything is viable.

 

Yeah this game is fucking easy

 

Yea auf is a viable boss, just not quite meta. Increasing its EV is not right.

 

Ooohh whaaaaaa the cleavers have a single boss where they're actually good. NL's don't need to br meta everywhere

 

Didn't realize heros and drks are the meta classes for auf.

 

Explain to me what a 'viable' EV is.

 

Idk, you didn't define, you only said there's a difference.

 

I run as nl in auf

 

3 years on and I still can't find a 155 attacker that can outdpm a 200 mage.

 

Just increase the helmet drop rate. It's the only thing people want anyways. And might as well increase the scroll drop rates to accommodate the increase in helms.

 

Love to see thread about EV of auf becomes another NL crying one. Please, no more. we've seen it enough, don't we?

Now auf became boss running w/o using apples, and even WAY lesser than time limit. I actually see many NLs running auf with their friends, ofc they aren't shining as how they are in PB, getting helped from their friends, but still they do their job well. This game is eventually community game, sometimes you get help, and sometimes you help others.

Maybe big difference between NLs who attending bosses which they can't do well, and not running would be - socializing. Can't say everyone is same, but I'd just do longer run with ppls I love to play with, rather than cherrypicking poggers only doing boring sweaty so-called 'pro runs' which drains my energy and life, just to save few mins. (and I actually do so, just not in auf because I'm not interested in yet).

Good counterpart would be HT and PB. I've been rejected from so many 6man HT being told like '2 cleavers (or even having cleaver itself) in 6man HT is too overkill! I need range' even when I was able to beat single target DPM of NLs in that run. Yes I do know how to mix panic without getting delay. Are you proud of me R**geKu**e? I didn't complain, because it's hosts freedom to select who to choice and I wished to respect it instead of wasting our time debating. Instead of doing that, I just hosted my own run and proved with many runs, that I don't suck, and luckily I think it worked out well. Now this happens in auf. '2 NLs in 6man auf is too overkill! I need cleave'. Cleavers didn't complain about that meta too much. now, it's NLs turn. Would you respect hosts freedom for that? or, shitpost on forum to ask to make another 'NL = S tier' boss?

 

Perhaps this mention would be correct.
'Too much NLs in server'.

Most of bossings were ok to carry 3~4 NLs in single pty (ex. krex, zak, ht, pb), and server population followed it, which isn't same with auf.