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Comprehensive Gashapon Redistribution List

Discussion in 'Rejected' started by Lionheart, May 9, 2015.

  1. Lionheart
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    In lieu of the recent threads about gashapon and its potential effects on server economy and gameplay, I think it would be a good idea to just list potential places for everything, where gashapon-exclusive items may be found by regular means.

    I don't want to make any arguments about economics here. But what I do hope to do is to improve the overall gaming experience so that all these items might be obtained by hunting mobs or bosses, rather than just a daily slot machine. I'm not suggesting to remove/alter gashapon.

    Equipments

    Work Gloves
    The glove crafter in Ludibrium can make the colored version of a work glove with a regular work glove and the corresponding gems.
    Blue work glove = 5 saphire.
    Yellow work glove = 5 topaz, 2 gold.
    Red work glove = 5 garnet.
    Purple work glove = 5 amethyst.

    Armors
    Bow Tie (yellow) - Pink Teddy
    Green Strap Shoes - Jr. Necki
    Pink Adventurer Cape - OPQ, GPQ, Griffy
    Purple Adventurer Cape - OPQ, GPQ, Manon
    Purple Bandana - Octopus
    Purple Marker - craft like a Green or Dark Marker via NPC
    Purple Old Wisconsin - Snowman, Dark Yeti & Pepe
    Racoon Mask - Leader A, Leader B
    Ragged Black Cape - Malady
    Ragged Yellow Cape - Zombie Mushmom
    Raven Ninja Bandana - Windraider
    Red Emerald Earrings - OPQ, Deep Buffoon
    Rice Cake Hat - Moon Bunny
    Smiling Mask - mobs in Temple of Time (when it comes out)
    Spectrum Goggles - are these even out yet?
    Tree Branch Nose - Stumpy, Reindeer
    White Racoon Mask - Male Boss, Body Guard A
    White Mouse Kit - Ratz, Retz (extremely rare)


    Special Weapons
    Bamboo Spear - Panda Teddy
    Blood Snowboard - Werewolf
    Bow of Magical Destruction -Leader B
    Christmas Tree - Christmas-related events and Dark Yeti & Pepe
    Doomsday Staff -Grim Phantom Watch
    Fishing Pole - Dyle
    Fruity Bamboo - Panda
    Green Ski - Yeti & Pepe
    Heart Staff - Amoria quest rewards, APQ, OPQ
    Kebob - Bigfoot
    Light Purple Umbrella - Urban Fungus
    Newspaper Sword - Flaming Racoon
    Poison Mushroom - Mushmom
    Raven's Beak - Black Crow
    Raven's Claw - Black Crow
    Raven's Wing - Master Death Teddy
    Shinobi Bracer - Extra D
    Sky Ski - Snowman


    Elemental Wands/Staves
    wand 1 - Buffoon
    wand 2 - Commander Skeleton
    wand 3 - Lycanthrope
    wand 4 - Tauromacis
    wand 5 - Zakum
    wand 6 - Zakum
    wand 7 - Zakum
    wand 8 - Zakum
    staff 1 - Spirit Viking
    staff 2 - Dreamy Ghost
    staff 3 - Thanatos
    staff 4 - Gatekeeper
    staff 5 - Horntail
    staff 6 - Horntail
    staff 7 - Horntail
    staff 8 - Horntail

    Chairs
    Amorian Loveseat - APQ
    Beach Chair - sold in Florina Beach
    Owl Chair - Timer
    Sheep Chair - Birk
    Skull Throne - Ergoth
    Stone Golem Hand Chair - Stone Golem
    Tent Chair - sold in El Nath
    Yellow Tent chair - sold in El Nath
    Your Throne - Trucker

    Miscellaneous
    Mushmom Eraser - Mushmom
    other erasers - corresponding mob

    Scrolls

    Clean Slate Scroll 20% - powerful bosses
    Clean Slate Scroll 10% - less powerful bosses (snowman, griffey, manon, ergoth)
    Clean Slate Scroll 5% - Bain, Elder Wraith
    Clean Slate Scroll 3% - Mr. Ali, Dark Drake, Mighty Maple Eater

    Accessories
    Dark Scroll for Earring for DEX 30% - Rash
    Dark Scroll for Earring for INT 30% - King Sage Cat
    Dark Scroll for Earring for INT 70% - Zakum
    *Scroll for Earring for HP 60% - Papulatus
    *Scroll for Earring for HP 100% -
    Dark Scroll for Earring for HP 30% - Body Guard A
    Dark Scroll for Earring for HP 70% - Zakum
    Scroll for Earring for LUK 100% -
    Dark Scroll for Earring for LUK 30% - The Boss
    Dark Scroll for Earring for LUK 70% - Papulatus
    *Scroll for Eye Accessory for Accuracy 10% - Female Boss
    *Scroll for Eye Accessory for Accuracy 60% - Male Boss
    *Scroll for Eye Accessory for Accuracy 100% -
    *Dark Scroll for Eye Accessory for Accuracy 30% - Body Guard B
    *Dark Scroll for Eye Accessory for Accuracy 70% -
    *Scroll for Eye Accessory for INT 10% - Female Boss
    *Scroll for Eye Accessory for INT 60% - Zakum
    *Scroll for Eye Accessory for INT 100% -
    *Dark Scroll for Eye Accessory for INT 30% - Body Guard B
    *Dark Scroll for Eye Accessory for INT 70% - The Boss
    *Scroll for Face Accessory for Avoidability 10% - Papulatus
    *Scroll for Face Accessory for Avoidability 60% - Female Boss
    *Scroll for Face Accessory for Avoidability 100% -
    *Dark Scroll for Face Accessory for Avoidability 30% - Body Guard A
    *Scroll for Face Accessory for HP 10% - Papulatus
    *Scroll for Face Accessory for HP 60% - Female Boss
    *Scroll for Face Accessory for HP 100% -
    *Dark Scroll for Face Accessory for HP 30% - The Boss
    *Dark Scroll for Face Accessory for HP 70% - Zakum

    Armors
    Scroll for Bottomwear for DEX 60% -
    Scroll for Bottomwear for DEX 100% -
    Dark Scroll for Bottomwear for DEX 30% - Hobi
    Dark Scroll for Bottomwear for DEX 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Bottomwear for Jump 70% - Green Hobi
    Dark Scroll for Cape for DEX 70% - Kru
    Dark Scroll for Gloves for ATT 30% - Bone Fish
    Dark Scroll for Gloves for DEX 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Gloves for HP 70% -
    Scroll for Gloves for Magic Att. 10% -
    Scroll for Gloves for Magic Att. 60% -
    Scroll for Gloves for Magic Att. 100% -
    Dark Scroll for Gloves for Magic Att. 30% -
    Dark Scroll for Gloves for Magic Att. 70% -
    Scroll for Helmet for Accuracy 10% -
    Scroll for Helmet for Accuracy 60% -
    Scroll for Helmet for Accuracy 100% -
    Dark Scroll for Helmet for Accuracy 30% -
    Dark Scroll for Helmet for Accuracy 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Helmet for DEX 30% - Rexton
    Dark Scroll for Helmet for DEX 70% - Dual Beetle
    Scroll for Helmet for INT 10% -
    Dark Scroll for Helmet for INT 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Overall Armor for DEX 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Overall Armor for INT 30% - Cold Shark
    Dark Scroll for Overall Armor for LUK 30% - Dark Rash
    Dark Scroll for Overall Armor for STR 30% - Gatekeeper
    Dark Scroll for Overall Armor for STR 70% - Beetle
    Scroll for Shield for HP 100% -
    Dark Scroll for Shield for LUK 30% - Extra D
    Dark Scroll for Shield for LUK 70% - Blin
    Scroll for Shield for Magic Att 10% -
    *Scroll for Shield for Magic Att 60% -
    Scroll for Shield for Magic Att 100% -
    Dark Scroll for Shield for Magic Att 30% - Thanatos
    Dark Scroll for Shield for Magic Att 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Shield for STR 30% - Female Boss
    Dark Scroll for Shield for STR 70% -
    *Scroll for Shield for Weapon Att 10% -
    *Scroll for Shield for Weapon Att 60% -
    *Dark Scroll for Shield for Weapon Att 30% -
    Dark Scroll for Shield for Weapon Att 70% - Cico
    Dark Scroll for Shoes for DEX 30% -
    Dark Scroll for Shoes for DEX 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Shoes for Jump 70% - Phantom Tree
    Scroll for Topwear for HP 60% -
    Dark Scroll for Topwear for HP 30% -
    Dark Scroll for Topwear for HP 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Topwear for LUK 30% - Bubble Fish
    Dark Scroll for Topwear for LUK 70% -
    Scroll for Topwear for STR 100% -

    Weapons
    Dark Scroll for Bow for ATT 30% - Hankie
    Dark Scroll for Claw for ATT 70% - Sage Cat
    Dark Scroll for Gun for ATT 30% - Spirit Viking
    Dark Scroll for Gun for ATT 70% - Gigantic Spirit Viking
    Dark Scroll for Knuckler for Accuracy 30% -
    Dark Scroll for Knuckler for Accuracy 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Knuckler for ATT 30% - Tae Roon
    Dark Scroll for Knuckler for ATT 70%
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed Axe for Accuracy 30% - Crimson Guardian
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed Axe for Accuracy 70% -
    Scroll for One-Handed BW for Accuracy 60% -
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed BW for Accuracy 30% - Crimson Guardian
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed BW for Accuracy 70% -
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed BW for ATT 30% -
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed BW for ATT 70% -
    Scroll for One-Handed Sword for Accuracy 10% - Kru
    Scroll for One-Handed Sword for Accuracy 100% -
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed Sword for Accuracy 30% - Crimson Guardian
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed Sword for Accuracy 70% -
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed Sword for ATT 30% - Captain
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed Sword for ATT 70% -
    Scroll for One-Handed Sword for Magic ATT 10% -
    Scroll for One-Handed Sword for Magic ATT 60% -
    Scroll for One-Handed Sword for Magic ATT 100% -
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed Sword for Magic ATT 30% - Jr. Balrog
    Dark Scroll for One-Handed Sword for Magic ATT 70% - King Sage Cat
    *Scroll for Pole-Arm for Accuracy 60% - Flower Fish
    Dark Scroll for Pole Arm for Accuracy 30% - Tauromacis
    Dark Scroll for Pole Arm for Accuracy 70% - Stormbreaker
    Dark Scroll for Pole Arm for ATT 30% - Tauromacis
    Scroll for Spear for Accuracy 10% - Crimson Guardian
    Dark Scroll for Spear for Accuracy 30% - Stormbreaker
    Dark Scroll for Spear for Accuracy 70% - Taurospear
    Dark Scroll for Spear for ATT 70% - Taurospear
    Dark Scroll for Staff for Magic Attack 30% -
    Dark Scroll for Staff for Magic Attack 70% -
    Scroll for Two-Handed Axe for Accuracy 100% -
    Dark Scroll for Two-Handed Axe for Accuracy 30% - Gatekeeper
    Dark Scroll for Two-Handed Axe for Accuracy 70% -
    Dark Scroll for Two-Handed Axe for ATT 30% - Gatekeeper
    *Scroll for Two-Handed BW for Accuracy 60% -
    Scroll for Two-Handed BW for Accuracy 100% -
    Dark Scroll for Two-Handed BW for Accuracy 30% -
    Dark Scroll for Two-Handed BW for Accuracy 70% -
    Scroll for Two-Handed Sword for Accuracy 10% -
    Dark Scroll for Two-Handed Sword for Accuracy 30% -
    Dark Scroll for Two-Handed Sword for Accuracy 70% -

    Legendary Scrolls

    For White Scrolls and Chaos Scrolls, I propose we add in custom items, something like "Subani Scroll Fragment" and "Chaos Scroll Fragment". Then, certain powerful bosses like Zakum, Bigfoot, Black Crow, Pianus, etc would drop them at varying rates depending on their difficulty. When you collect 10 fragments of one scroll, you take it to a NPC (alcaster maybe?). It would require completing his quests which allows you to buy stuff from him. Finally the last thing you must do is pay him 10 million mesos and either 10 dark crystals for a Chaos Scroll or 1 star rock and 1 moon rock for a White Scroll.

    A lot of these suggestions (especially scrolls) are just random selected mobs that seem like they could use an extra good drop (or two). Feel free to modify the drop list if you feel you come up with a better place for these items to drop.
     
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    I added a few items that I remembered were missing. But now that I think about it, I am probably missing a lot of scrolls still too. If you see something that's missing, post here and suggest a place for it to go if you want, too.
     
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    Great effort on this post.
     
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    MapleF7 Zero (misunderstood) arguments about economics will be lodged as long as important Gachapon items are redistributed into other means of attaining..uh..ness.. rather than simply through a daily slot machine.

    As I stated before in my last thread, our thoughts match up regarding most of this topic. We Agree. I believe you are only/were only salty because I made a couple on point, calculated posts about your conversation tactics that may have hit home, and also because I based my last thread off of rebuttals to your poorly written posts. I don't think Gachapon should be removed/altered either, just methods of gachapon equip distribution diversified.

    I'm just glad my lobbying may actually change something, it doesn't matter to me if you appropriate it or not xD
     
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    Thanks for the support guys. I went through all the scrolls on hidden-street.net looking for potential candidates that might be in gash but simply weren't in their gash list, and even some other ones that weren't dark scrolls that didn't seem to drop from anything, and I added them to the list. There are a TON of these floating around, and I'm running out of ideas (and time for that matter) for where they should go. In any case, there's just a crapload of scrolls that are probably only from gash that need homes.

    The ones marked with asterisks (*) can be obtained from temple of time and ninja castle mobs. However, since it does not seem this server will add these mobs in the future, it might be a good idea to have another mob drop them in the mean time.
     
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    Didnt see this thread earlier, your suggestion is really good and the effort you put into this thread is stellar
     
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    Thank you for your hard work!
     
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    I'd be up for this idea if the scroll drops were thoroughly revised by the staff to make sure it's balanced.
     
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    To answer your question, no Spectrum Goggles did not exist in this version.

    I understand the concern here and I agree with that concern, but not sure how I feel about this overhaul.

    Personally I would love to see more rare scrolls come from Party Quests. As for the rest, I think it needs a lot of careful thought put into rebalancing. To be honest, I think this just isn't worth the effort. Might as well leave it as it is.

    Something I just noticed. As for farmable white scrolls, 100% no. I don't care how hard it is to get, never. They should remain an extremely rare gacha only item. They are gamebreaking.
     
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    You got clever with those drops.

    This comes to mind when i look at that this suggestion. Is this going to change the "Nostalgic" feeling i get when i play? Idk, It might... Will finding gach drops from mobs make me feel like I'am playing another private server (Other servers have implemented the same idea of gach items dropping from mobs). I wouldn't mind testing these drops out on a tespia server first to see how everything feels.

    I don't really care for the Workgloves suggestion either.
     
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    This, it is a worrying concept. However, I feel that the 'item-nostalgia' experienced isn't based in which things come from where, but more-so based in the 'feeling attained' when something drops (or is attained through another means) that is sellable (requiring a functioning market) for pure mesos (requires keeping mesos valuable, not deflating them)

    So to protect the 'nostalgic' feeling we all love so much, we must 1. maintain peoples want/need to buy/sell things and 2. avoid deflating the value of a meso 3. keep this all balanced so that people don't become frustrated with systemic inequality

    As long as the solution takes into account those three things, most importantly crisk's mentioning of maintaining balance (meaning not just boss monsters can drop these scrolls, that will breed imbalance), I am perfectly fine with these items being boss drops, monster drops, party quest rewards, and/or item based quest rewards.
     
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    lol, "nostalgia". Oh how I pine for the days where GMS was crowded with a bunch of rude kids, where hackers infested everything and ruined the experience, when people would dc you just to take your spot in the FM, and the fact that we had to pay money for NX. Don't you? In the name of nostalgia, we ought to get rid of the autoban system and make NX cash only available to donators. True pay2win, just like it was back in the good old days!!

    ...wait, that's probably the most idiotic idea you've ever heard, right? So let's not make our goal to make this server exactly how it was in GMS, but make it a game better than Neckson ever could have. Let's make this version of maplestory something much more than a clone of something greedy corporations thought of.

    Anyway, I think white/chaos scroll pieces dropping from bosses would be fine as long as they were rare enough. If people ever use the phrase "kill zakum to farm white scroll pieces" then I think the drop rate is too high.
     
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    I agree. There is some truth in what you're saying.

    @On Topic - A slight detail that may have been overlooked is that the current system has a 5k NX (5 gach tickets) cap a day. This new purposed system doesn't have any sort of cap. People can farm these items all day long. Yeah, I'm sure there will be a low chance of them dropping but nothing is stopping people from farming the crap out of these items. Also, i can already see people camping the hot maps (Sky Ski - Dark Yeti & Pepe [I'm aware the mobs are interchangeable] )

    Why do you get so emotional in every single post bruh? Umad?

    -Didn't say this needs to be GMS-like.. Said i hope i have the same Nostalgic feeling-
     
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    Wow, I don't even have plans to acknowledge that vulgarity, as my post was extremely slanted/misunderstood in a way that only someone undeserving of attention would slant/misunderstand something. I don't know why I make you so emotional, but i'm sorry for the way you feel, because I don't think anybody should have to feel that way, ever..

    For the sake of clearing up the emotional slant, 'Nostalgia' is an abstract and relative concept, so it's mostly used as a place word. I'm speaking about preserving the 'nostalgia' of a functioning free market economy, which would undoubtedly help the server grow. Think of it in relation to how the US economy prospered through the culmination of the first widespread securities market. If it was simply a market based on actual goods, it wouldn't have grown to nearly the size/functionality that the world economy has today. To ensure our server grows at the rate it is capable of, we need to provide+prod the in-game currency and market in the same way the world securities market stokes the actual producing market's fire. The more connectivity, the more trading, the better. The more value placed on mesos rather than hunting for items yourself, the better.

    When that is achieved (it already will be in some form, but when it is achieved perfectly), 'meso sinks' should be introduced in the form of luxury items for high level players or economic kingpins, therefore avoiding inflation of prices, and maintaining balance.

    I agree. This is going to be very hard to combat. But perhaps the best way to fight this, understanding that some people will choose to have no life no matter what you do, is to adopt the godly system that royals has. (possibly to just a +3, -3 as opposed to +5, -5) While this is just an idea, and I hardly agree with it myself, it would undoubtedly widen the variance, possibly improving the market and lessening/improving the value of some items dropped. The one thing I know about no lifers is that they will 1. try to abuse the system in any way possible 2. want the perfect item

    They'll go farm for countless hours for the perfect 5-6 atk PGC or +7/+8 Sky Ski, while strengthening the economy (questionable) with the not-so-good items they receive entering the trading market.

    If someone wants to farm for countless hours in pursuit of a perfect weapon, I suppose we should let them go crazy, rather than making it based strictly on the time/luck factor of the daily slot machine.
     
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    If you want to talk about slanting and misunderstanding what was written, how about the fact that I wasn't directing that post towards you at all?

    Then again, it's probably my fault since I did not quote.
     
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    Brother, I don't like your attacking style of debate no matter who you are making references towards, and am willing to defend my beliefs. Become less aggressive, or let the emotionally mature and socially adept people handle this. You are a manchild. Sorry to tell ya.
     
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    I didn't have the chance to play that server. That's an interesting system that i wouldn't mind checking out. Do you know if the mobs that drop the items are similar to what OP the listed?
     
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    I personally really dislike the 'godly items' system Royals had.
     
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    I don't like the godly system easier. If people wanted to grind, let them grind for scrolls (not saying White Scrolls) to try and perfect their equips rather than grind for godly weapons.
     
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    I will note that I think if the mobs drop an item that is normally gach only, or you create them then they should be untradeable so the market is not flooded with someone buying up all the ores to create wg
     

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