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Lets talk about Heroes.

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Autoassemble, Sep 10, 2017.

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  1. Hiyo
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    Hiyo Headless Horseman Retired Staff

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    Rage is actually USEFUL in other MS servers that are not GMS because KMS/JMS etc did not have NLC which made rage completely useless, you can blame GMS for releasing NLC with game changing additions like stoppers, warrior elixirs, ciders and deputy star. KMS only had weather (NX) and Apples... which is also (NX).
     
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    >I disagree so tell them to shut up
    what an impressive and creative mind,,,, LOL man 2017 is a bitch

    we're talkin melee classes here. one got a speed boost on their attack, the other got massive % bonuses on their damage (which makes their gear more relevant / impactful than it is for heroes) and we're talking about enrage and rage not a revamp or saying hero is shit im giving suggestions about these 2 things and ive posted my reasons and thoughts. end post kek!

    edit: and lets get off this hero are the best dps ever never say anything negative about them - thing. that stopped being nostalgic when everyone got a buff aside from them -- not that hero needs one, but the point is hero isn't nostalgically head and shoulders above everyone else anymore. and that's okay but lets keep perspective.
     
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    Hmm plays an out-of-date, nostalgic game, meant to represent a specific patch and time, wants to mod it...

    Maybe we could make all classes "better" because maybe they "should be."
     
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    I agree with the fact that heroes are not trash, but it's true that it feels weak to play with one, and it's not just the fact that rage is completely useless, when it should be a good increase of damage for the group. It seems to me that the problem is in the min attack range, because you can hit 20k per line or you can hit half of that. From my point of view it is this instability that makes the heroes weak.
     
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    its essentially the soft damage cap of low dmg % on brandish. ACA partially masks this but it shows a lot more in later levels when damage barely increases no matter how much gear you get. pally are unstable in comparison to hero but huge %'s make their dmg go up faster and more easily so its not a big deal.
     
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    Rk is definately not the best, it requires less work in terms of not having to lug a si mule around.
    But thats your own choice.

    Retrospectively nightlords that choose to kill bosses without se are probably the weakest of all the ranged classes. But with se they are almost indisputably the best dpm class.
     
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    You know I love this rk + st debate and all but can we we please stop with the class comparison dick measuring hero vs x. Enrage is fine as it is tbh. It'd be broken as Perma 26 imo. Rage still needs a buff as well in my opinion, wish a staff would actually address this. And yeah I know it's a second job skill but if it's possible to make it 30 skill points then I would support it.

    On a slightly unrelated note. We do not just sit and afk while attacking. If I literally did that for horntail not only would I die within the first 5 minutes of prehead but I would get kicked out of the squad. (Ps I do have max hp). I get that we're easier but the class isn't that retardedly brain dead as people exaggerate it to be.
     
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    Blast range is also much much smaller, compared to brandish. And all warriors have the problem of high top damage and low min damage based on their mastery cap.
    Comparable to other warrior classes, most people would say that heros are the most relaxed class.

    You use only one skill, and besides having to self buff, pay attention to seduces if theu occur, and potting (hp/mp pet). There isn't much differentiation to your skills.

    Drks have to watch out and maintain a certain hp, and paladins switch to acb to mob.
     
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    Fair enough, we're easier in most cases. But we're not braindead retarded spam 1 button and excluded to discussion for change due to that reason. And rage is useful... in what server? All versions later down the line have buffed to 20 whether GMS, KMS, etc after the release of Lionheart. (Won't compared to recent maple since it's just outright broken +30 attack etc).
     
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    See below:
     
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    I don't see how one could speak on behalf of the maple community in the past to deem which skill is useless or not in what version unless the person actually bossed as a hero at the time.

    The servers mentioned eventually buffed it to 20 like I stated.

    And what's the point of dredging up old servers? I'm talking about the server NOW and right now it's at the barely useless tier based on personal experience.

    Other heroes' experiences would also collaborate to the irrelevance of the skill. Of course it's all up to personal interpretation.
     
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    Jesus christ stop asking for rage buff... OnionDead
     
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    If you want the server "NOW" then rage should be nerfed back to what it was imo, rage was probably nerfed in way later versions.

    Re-read *buffed in way later version* :facepalm: but you got what I mean.
     
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    tfw I never mentioned rage aside from saying it was useless, but didn't ask for it to be buffed
     
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    inb4 buff mage armor becomes a meme
     
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    I meant Neckson America. However your right, it worked in other versions.
     
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    I love all the stupid disagrees xD

    Keep on hating :cool:
     
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    Come to think of it, 4 disagrees is not very much. So must be very few people naive enough to want a buff on an already OP class :)
     
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    In this thread: Non-Heroes continue to shit post and the general ML population is too nostalgic for context
     
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    Not being required to hp wash is already an insane advantage heroes have over most other classes
     
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