Notice on Agent Equipment

What about some compensation for the untradable agent equipment (iirc only the agent earrings were tradable which was circulated as op end game eq)? A simple player's situation that I have thought of is player who has disposed their KPQ squishy shoes for the +3 to all stats 'perm' agent shoes back then?

Personally I quite like the 'exclusiveness' we got from the agent eq, as it shows who are the players who have been sticking around the server for abit.. Would y'all considering reverting only the untradable agent eq back to its original stats for players who currently own it and keep it, its like the mark of beta for players in Summer 2017

 

Well my two cents on the whole topic.

First of all, while I dreamed of having all kinds of godly Agent equips, the whole vibes I got from the agent events turned me away from this server. It was too GMS-like, the activities you had to do too insanely boring and grindy... quite frankly, it brought back bad memories, and I wasn't enjoying myself at all. I just gave up and even went on a hiatus from the server, feeling disgusted with the event, and questioning my life decisions and the way I spend my free time. In a way, if this happens, it might be a "relief" that I didn't put in the hundreds more hours of work to acquire and scroll agent equips...

But knowing how many hours it takes to get them, there is no question in my mind that taking them away is an unfair decision. I am not exaggerating when I say that players who earned their agent equips had to go through Hell to get them. Is this the best solution you can come up with? Erasing all that work? Even if the whole agent event was a big mistake, this action is an even bigger mistake that is extremely punishing to many players.

In contradiction to your paradigm you claim to be adhering to with no permanent event equipments, there's another paradigm you also frequently abide by: being as GMS-like as possible. In GMS, these equipments were permanent, were they not? And I'm pretty sure this is what everyone knew and expected as well. I just don't get it. Same GMS event, same amount of insane work required as in GMS, same equipment stats... removing them months after everyone wasted hundreds of hours of their life? I don't even think Neckson would have done something so stupid.

Speaking of GMS, this is once again a reason to take everything they did with a grain of salt, and not copy them as closely as possible. Now that you've copied them, however, you seem to have a "balance problem" on your hands... You know what would completely balance the game between new and old players? A server wipe.

Brainstorm a better solution.

Oh one thing to point out. It's not nearly so difficult to compensate people due to trading. You see, it's very simple...

Players who initially got agent equips and traded them away were already compensated.

Do you know how? By what means? By who? The other person in the trade. The players who sold their agent equips got mesos, scrolls, whatever in return for the agent gear, which is now expiring. So logically, only those who have agent gears currently would get a compensation. Whoever doesn't, would get none.

 

Was it ever asked to the community what they think of this option?

 

Oh right... So february of last year, 5 months after the last summer event, you issue "notice" of this. The topic is pretty heated, much disagreement, and closed within the same day as the thread being started. Pretty typical, when Kimberly hears opinions she doesn't want to hear.

But I guess this makes everything fine, and an apology tooooootally changes everything. So, maple weapons removal when?

 

After almost 4 years of watching this happen over and over again, I see absolutely no reason to believe that anything will be learned from this. No reason to make such claims that any learning will happen when you're not willing to learn.

So stop closing threads, you can't learn if you don't listen.

Apologies mean nothing if they're just apologies.

 

I second that idea. Moving away from the topic of equip's opness, I believe that these still represent a nice portion of players that has been playing in Legends to this day (and it looks pretty cool too). To achieve that, my idea would be creating a custom npc script and give people like a week to trade the current equips with a nerfed version that is more in line of ones we can achieve from participating in party quests (ex. slime shoes, altaire earrings, etc...) and also untradable.

I understand that this will not be a perfect compensation. However, I believe method will at least prevent current equips from vanishing and gives people an opportunity to keep a piece of history if they want them.

 

Or, rather, they THINK they know what they want. No one really knows what they want until they get it and decide whether or not this was truly what they wanted. Like me, I want Zakum/Scar/Targa Helms to not be Helmets, but Rings - because what is the point of having level 50-110 helmets in a game when those helmets are ridiculously OP not to pass up? But, since there are several ring slots, and I don't think anyone should be able to wear all three at once (given the One Of A Kind status can't be applied to three different equips [can they?]). So I think, "Hey, how about creating a "Shoulder" equip and have the Zak/Scar/Targa helms instead be Pauldrons? I'd also like to see DEF be a stat that makes a significant difference in the game."
- But all it takes is for all of these changes to happen before I, or anyone else, knows if this is something we really want to have happen.

I'm in full agreement - event equips are stupidly toxic to this type of gaming environment.

 

Does it still have the slots if you've scrolled them already, or do those get reset?

 

gay xd

 

It will be cash item. Finally I can wear my agent overall together with bathrobe

 

More of the same, good thing I don't play this server anymore and my 1.5b being fucked over doesn't really matter. Still funny to read though, thanks for the laugh SeemsGood

 

You can apologize as many times as you want but that doesn't fix the fact that a huge chunk of your players are majorly fucked over from your mistakes that you chose not to compensate. It's too hard to compensate, so your decision is no compensation at all? Lemme just bulldoze my neighbour's house, write them a heartfelt apology with a quote on forgiveness, and refuse to compensate because it's too hard, so why even bother. If you're gonna make a fuck up this big, you should at least take the responsibility as owners of the game to fix it, even if the cost is way bigger or the task way harder than you expected. Holy fuck, if I fucked over this many people that badly, I would work extra hard to encourage them to keep playing my game, not by declaring an easy way out in the name of fairness by deleting everyone's equips knowing that it would piss them off. Its clear that there is no perfect compensation, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be any at all. You've already robbed weeks of time and effort from players which they can never get back when you encouraged them to do the agent event with these supposed "permanent" equips, yet your best solution is just to delete the hard work of 300 people? Even if material compensation isn't possible or if there really isn't any clear cut solution to this, you could have at least proposed to satisfy your players elsewhere by working harder to host more events or making small improvements via suggestions, but unfortunately that's gonna be on hold since you all need to take breaks and play gunbound. Right now you're only pissing off your existing players who have been loyal to you for years by catering to the future players that arent even keeping your game alive right now, so please don't be surprised when new potential players get turned off from a dead server that everyone left from poor management. I would much rather have a server with a few flaws rather than a dead server run by GMs whose only method of repayment is forum apologies.

 

There is so much entitlement over a game. If it's impossible to enjoy a game because some of your pixels are gone, then you probably need to re-evaluate your motivations for playing, because everyday we fool ourselves into thinking this game is something that it's not. We aren't owed anything. We don't own anything of value. Our accounts, no matter how much effort we've put into them, are not even our own property, and their existence is at the discretion of whoever controls the server. I believe that's something that the Terms of Service for MapleLegends is lacking, and something made apparent in the terms of many other MMO's.

Let's say that your neighbor has an empty plot of land, and on it he builds a park for some kids, with a swingset, a jungle gym, monkey bars, some slides, many things for people to enjoy. You enjoy the park, you hangout with friends there and you become attached to it. Wanting to contribute, you offer to build a sandbox out of some planks and sand that your neighbor has lying around, and he agrees, glad that he has created something people like. Well, one day your neighbor decides that it's not in his best interest to have the park, and he agrees to sell the property for development. Do you have a right to complain? No, not in the least. You're allowed to not like the decision, but there is absolutely no basis for believing that you deserve something because of it. You enjoyed the park, you helped build parts of it, you invested bits of yourself into it, yet none of that property or anything on it is yours and all decisions are made at the discretion of the owner. They are free to do with it as they wish.

That's the nature of all online games. They're open for us to enjoy, but it's a mistake to believe that we are entitled to anything just because we are a part of them. It's especially apparent when the game we enjoy is free to play, and just a hobby for the owner. To be toxic towards any of the GMs because of their beliefs as to how this server is run is just immature and delusional.