Perma beginner, skill?!

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I don't know if it's possible, I think an addition for this could also build up leeching perma-beginner & non-leeching perma-beginner ranking system, such as ironman ranking I guess? It can motivate non-leeching perma-beginner because sometimes I feel frustrated that I spend 5 years to get pass lv100 by self-grinding questing, then I see a lv120 leeching perma-beginner do it in 1 month. I mean it's ok for leech but I just feel unfair on the rankings.

 

first off: we see you and appreciate you!! we so proud!

i think having a leeching/non-leeching rankings would bring up too many differing opinions about legit vs. non legit. i see a ton of differing opinions on what constitutes a "legit" perma. Can they do PQs with jobbed folks? Can they get buffed with HS? Should they only level by quests? what if they only leeched for 1 level? 2? Where does the line that divides everyone start and end? Everyone has different opinions on these which would make it hard to nail in a ranking, not to mention I have no idea how they would easily code this.

i do share your frustration at some times, knowing that anyone with ~3 days and a high level mage could easily pass my char that took me ~5-6 months. i try not to look at the rankings for that reason (and i am thankful deer set up rankings for our personal enjoyment)

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on the topic of OP/the thread itself: i don't think beginners should get any buffs that wouldn't be available to another jobbed class. i agree with others that it would be a shame to encourage a bunch of high level beginner mules -- i imagine that would further frustration in the rankings.

that being said, i /have/ thought it might be cool to get some of the 4th job [edit: i see my irony in calling it a 4th job skill] skills not tied to any specific job (MW, hero's will) at 120. since any jobbed character would get these skills, i would be surprised anyone would start hopping on the beginner train for this. similar things have been done before: mounts were not available to beginners in GMS, and i was delighted to see that i could have my own piggy in here.

i feel like the essence of a beginner to me is working with the hand that you're dealt. i greatly enjoy the masochism of playing a class that has no pros. having nothing to look forward to, no milestones but the level number itself -- that's the spirit of what i hope a beginner will continue to be in this server.

 

Isn't the whole point of being a perma beginner to not have skills at all?

 

Eye of the Noblesse. (Beginner job for the Knights of Cygnus.)

Would work like Keen Eyes but would also let the stars or whatever projectile being used have more in a set (like Claw Mastery, but if the islander/perma beginner would be a mitten user it could perhaps also increase the amount of arrows dropped by the mobs?)

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LEGENDS NEWS..

Liny: This just in Perma Beginners want a custom skill and the idea might shock you, lets head over to Liny with the info now!

Liny: Thanks for that Liny, Hi Legends News fans it is me Liny, as Liny stated perma beginners want a new custom passive skill but what will it be.. will it be something similar to Warrior masteries, or perhaps something of the likes of Assassins or Archers.. hmm.. only the staff can decide.. But when that comes we will let you know the scoop.

Thanks for listening and we'll head back to Liny.

Liny: Thanks for that Liny, wow.. a new passive skill thats customized to MapleLegends.. how cool does that sound!

However thats not the only info we have today.. MapleLegends' Anniversary will be coming soon, not too soon next month to be exact.. now I wonder how many maplers will be pushing Puff Daddy to the Right.. faster the better I would say, what do you think Liny.

Liny:

 

I've come to beat the dead horse, but mastery on beginners would go so hard. The only issue is that we don't know how that'd work with other classes. For the single cent opinion i have on this that no one asked for, beginners probably shouldnt receive attacking skills.

I'd love for Superbeginner to be a thing ala Ragnarok but realistically speaking this detracts from the OSMS nostalgia Legends prides itself on (to whatever extent Legends cares to pride itself on). I think survivability skills are a neat idea for them but probably also might end up doing the same thing.

Mastery is such a cool idea, but has to be implemented well. Beginners will use the largest range of weapons in the game, from daggers, to swords, to polearms and spears, BW's, etc. If you make it a single skill that unlocks at lv70 or a bunch of skills the beginner upgrades on the go. How many levels to the skill? Etc etc. Then it's if I stay a Beginner until that skill, then job advance, how would that work?

It's a little complicated and everyone will have a different slice of an opinion here. I am just a little suspicious of people that might chime in for an opinion about what Beginners and their identities are, and never themselves tried playing one to higher levels....

Either way, I'm not for a Superbeginner ala Ragnarok. Love to dream about it, would probably hate it. But I'm not averse to new skills for Beginners generally that don't detract from their main gameplay. Beginners currently have a really neatly arranged endgame. Your end is Taipei, it's functionally possible to complete every quest you get up until lv120, by yourself, besides late bossing quests. And HP and damage thresholds for what's theoretically possible for Beginners to do ON THEIR OWN is pretty well understood. (Essentially the absolute cream of the crop is soloing Bigfoot, but you likely need to be a leecher for that. Otherwise, Leviathan would be the natural endgame).

If Beginners get Power Strike, Slash Blast, Magic Guard, Iron Body, any offensive skill, defensive skill, and so on and so forth. 3 bad things happen.

1) Other oddjobs are worse than what's supposed to be the worst joke class. Imagine a Beginner protecting itself and dealing more damage than a Permawarrior. That's kinda criminal.

2) You'd have to homebrew fanfic maple and design all of that from scratch, and whilst cool, I myself would prefer if you just kept improving Legends' balancing generally, like introducing a DEF ring and revamping the DEF stats somehow.

3) Whilst I'm not convinced by "it's disrespectful to other Beginners who got to their levels without these skills" because it's just a nice addition they can explore. I do think that you're definitely pushing for a change that dramatically changes the Beginner experience. If at any point these skills become a thing, it should probably be at lv120.

Anyway, dead thread, dead horse, mastery's fuxxin sick but lotsa conditions come immediately after considering it.

 

sounds like a hero

 

Yeah, assuming you only maintain support skills. The Superbeginner concept goes against that because it removes all the class restrictions on wearing weapons and using skills. But yeah as mentioned above, I think that that becomes so detracted and homebrew it's prolly a bad idea

Ahh, and adding to the mastery concept, a big part of the endgame beginner experience is the fact that weapon choice matters so much. There's a legitimate reason to pick a fan over a PSB in certain cases, or a Japanese Map over the fan. It all depends on how stable you want your damage to be, and which mob/boss you're trying to kill. Mastery effectively kills this job (or non job) subtle depth.

 

throwing mano shells unlocked at level 100 consumes the shell and does 100 damage

in general i think actually buffing perma beginners is pointless but something horizontal/decorative and nonintrusive would be more fitting, of course aside from the fact that it'd still be inauthentic