Untradeable White Scroll and Chaos Scroll Discussion

I think that so long as the WS/CS can be stored in the storage npc, everything will be completely fine. As for the extra 1-2 slots, I personally will never get upset at this because I never run into the issue of holding onto to many scrolls/ important use items, as they are on my mule. This just means 2 items I usually keep in my storage are now going to be kept on my mules storage.

I'm not going to pretend to have a lot of knowledge of the maplelegends economy, but isn't a net loss what the WS/CS market needs? From what I can tell, this will make obtaining these 2 scrolls easier, while slowing down the sale of ws/cs because of the net loss in turning it into coins or pouches.

I feel like this system will work in addressing the problems created of having incredibly overpriced WS/CS, and down the line will need to be tuned to match the health of the WS/CS market/usage.

 

as i sayed we doomed to gamble our cs\ws with only lose chances , should make it 90~110 to make it average of 100 ,
or just exchange for 100 and that it ..

 

You haven't tested the system to say its averaging 90 coins per CS to Coin Sack.
The term used in the Changes thread was 90~100 coins, meaning most likely the exchange will average out at 94~95 coins (as expected)

I don't see the issue about gacha hoarding when we are already in a gacha hoarding market at the moment.

The only issue that we will have, as far as I can understand in economical point of view is the singularization of economic value between a WS and CS (which have different interests of application), the main issue will be, how will the coins change in value thanks to the requirements of both applications?

If a WS is more worth (cause god scrolling 10% farmers) the coin might fluctuate to an higher value per 100x set.

idk if I'm explaining myself but... there might be a balance between pros and cons between the two scrolls that will make the coin either fluctuate a lot during "active" times in the market and stagnate / fix its value when there is not much "activity" in the market.



I see this balance change as a positive in terms of WS/CS "farming" possibilities plus increasing economic value of bossing for people (especially lower tier as well, even tho smaller amounts of coins, can be sold as boss drops).

Most likely most bossing will now net a boost in meso production

 

oof I was reading the boss drops, hmm 80~100 anyway is not bad, the 10~15 lost coins is not important, all it does it provoke a meso sink for possible chances to re-gain coins / exchange scrolls.

So its a pretty good system in my opinion.

 

what u mean not bad ? u got only chance to lose coins every SCROLL u exchange its can get a 1b lost with enough scrolls and a bad luck , scrolls u bought with money u grind ...
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want make it rng ? make it both way 90~110 but the only lose option kinda sucks

 

Which is why I said, its a good meso sink for the system.

 

I don't think that's meso sink, only the 10m tax from coin -> scroll is

 

Make a WS for 100 coins + 10m [10m meso used in total]
"Oh no I wanted a CS"

Trades it back for 87 coins (random)... "hmm gotta buy 13 coins"
Buys 13 coins for 1m each
Makes a CS for 100 coins + 10m [33m meso used in total]
Easy 23m meso sink, if a coin is rated @ 1m ea

 

Yeah thats right if you consider that the person did a stupid mistake.
What I meant is the regular person who:
"I need a CS"
Buys 100 coins for 1m each
Trades 100 coins + 10m for a CS
Uses CS

Same for WS

Edit: Not even considering that your example also isn't meso sink, just moving mesos from one person to another

 

I have never scrolled anything with a WS in my inv yet.
If anyone can answer, Does scrolling without Legendary Spirit auto consumes the white scroll? I do know Legendary Spirit have the check box for WS usage.

 

The only meso sink is the tax on any trade. It’s not a meso sink player to player.

 

"i need change back my ws\cs i hardly grinded\bought to buy end game gear cus its untradeable now"
trade 10 scrolls and end up with 870 coins
"heck"

 

When you use it without Legendary Spirit a popup appears asking if you wanna use it or not

 

Yes it does.

 

Thats your punishment for hoarding cs/ws.

 

before patch notes: converting coins to ws requires unspecified amount of meso, and converting ws/cs back to coins requires unspecified amount of meso
after patch notes: converting coins to ws requires 10m, converting ws back to coins gives you a chance to lose up to 20% of value, or not lose anything at all, averaging on 10% loss in value.

I believe this is probably staff's attempt to drive WS down to 100m in terms of Free Market prices, hence 10% loss.

uhhh... ain't you are supposed to lose something for every ws/cs exchange back to coins due to tax? Averaging a 10% loss is pretty fair, no?
the idea of prestigious coin to tax ws/cs has been around for months, why only talk against it now, when its fking too late?

 

People have evaded tax using valuable item long enough , now they're fighting back