Maplelegends could retool the HP washing system.

I farmed cards by afking 3 summons, which is probably good for most cards until lvl 70, which is like t6-7 and did the rest normally.

btw babo lvl 200 nl with 6k base

 

STRQNK level 200 NL has around 6.2k base \o/

out of all the other classes that washes alot, corsairs wash the least... they only need 40-50 washes. thats honestly not alot lol. im sure friends/guildies would be nice enough to lend INT gear as well, if you absolutely hate adding base int to wash

 

I think you can just jump to avoid the 7k damage or stay on a higher platform.

I thinm you don't even need the 5.6k to do horntail.

You really only need 4.9k or so with hb to do it and a dk who is on point.

 

Can we just let the server die please. Everytime someone suggests something to improve the game, old school players bring up how they had it tough in the past and that they were able to overcome it. Great for you. But obviously majority of the population aren't going to care and go through the same 'achievement' as you which is why this server is dying everyday. GarBear, you are wasting your time trying to plead with these people. The server has no additional content even though you tease Neo Tokyo for years. Look at how few people play anymore, I would surmise if you have unique character counter, it would be even less. How many players have multiple accounts on at once? This server isn't going to improve. Also on Gtop100 says hp washing optional btw. Optional my ass.

 

naw man, some ppl think jumping is too hard \o/
but yes, back then NL's BM's didnt have enough HP, so DK's would have to be on fcken point to HB incase of dispels. that was part of the game

 

I'm not an old school player and I don't have a bishop/mage but these struggles have been manageable for me. I'm just here trying to shed light on how, with a bit of effort, you don't need to focus your entire life on HP washing and perma-leeching to access normal end-game content at optimal levels - all without major setbacks. Some people will argue for changes and some will argue for preservation, but the truth is that there is no way to completely satisfy everyone. We can only strive to meet at a middle ground - and this has been nearly achieved with the Monster Book ring and Ellin ring. Note that washing is intended to exist in this server and with the changes in the last half-year, it's been alleviated to something you have to work minimally to achieve.

Now, with just a bit of planning and effort, you can HT at 155 without having ANY base int and a reasonably minor investment in int equipment. Many people just haven't been able to explore the ways it can be done and become reasonably unhappy with the false idea that they will need a 100 base int character to be able to play late game content. That is not true.

 

I really think the HP washing problem is blown out of proportion, possibly by people who don't understand how it works. When I first set off to make a BM, I heard all of the horror stories with washing and expected my washing endeavor to be some kind of nightmarish struggle that would take half a year and require putting literally all of my AP points into int. However when I went through to spreadsheets to see how much int/washes it would take to reach minimum HT HP by level 155, it really wasn't that bad. You only need to add 30-40 int to have the base MP, and you can just bloodwash if you don't have the NX by 155. This seems pretty reasonable to me. Whenever I see new players get intimidated by HP washing I just tell them to relax, assure them their account isn't ruined, put like 30 base int, and get some monster book rings later. Most of the time they aren't outraged at the system or depressed that their character isn't an absolutely perfect attacker.

To the OP, I know you mean well and I agree that HP washing is probably a broken mechanic. However, the scale of the problem is blown out of proportion. Your post implicitly contributes to the false idea that HP washing is incredibly difficult and inaccessible by new players. This misinformation is the biggest problem with washing, not the mechanics itself. I urge you to pull up a HP washing calculator and play around with the numbers for various classes. Hopefully you can convince yourself that the washing to HT by 155 is really not that difficult.

*Toad though.....

EDIT: here is the calculator I used, check it out!
https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/advanced-hp-wash-calculator-v0-41.16508/

 

It sounds like a lot but it's truly feasible. Players can earn 20m for a zhelm well before level 50 through quests* and PQ**. I don't mean to downplay the struggle to get a zhelm, but I started with 4 other friends and we all managed a zhelm by level 60 through our own accord. Most of the new players within my guild and alliance have gotten their dep star though the quest with a bit of help from guildies/alliance mates. You can earn at least 30m on character by level 60 if you quest and do PQs. If you hunt minibosses like Dyle, Mushmom, Faust, that can feasibly turn into 40-50m by level 50 with no prior funding needed. This is all without considering the fact that you're bound to earn at least a little bit from the gach tickets you will find.

Honestly, if there are new players struggling to get a handle on the game, send them my way or to California!
If there's anything I understand, it's that starting out without help is the realest struggle there is.

* - quests to guarantee at least 20m but up to 40m by level 50:

Maplestory Basic Knowledge, Sakura and the Teddy Bear, Movie Star, Sakura the Kitty & the Orange Marble, Terminating the Dark Force, Jane the Alchemist, Subani's Legacy, ReVersal
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** - KPQ, Ludi PQ, Ellin PQ, and LMPQ netted me well over 15m by the time I was level 60

KPQ = overall scrolls
Ludi PQ = scrolls + cape/earring loot
Ellin PQ = weapon scrolls
LMPQ = tons of money NPC'ing pots​

 

I really, honestly believe the average player can get there. I added an edit to my previous post ("If there's anything I understand, it's that starting out without help is the realest struggle there is.") which just means to say that it's possible if you have someone to help show you the ropes.

Regarding EPQ:
The boss drops many worthwhile 60% scrolls:
claw (400k), wand (250k), 1h sword (100k), 2h sword (100k), bow (100k), staff (100k), dagger (75k), knuckle (75k), gun (75k), and so on.

Regarding PQing:
I think our experience PQing has been different. In the past few months, when I created new characters, I've managed to find parties at LPQ and EPQ in reasonable time. Then LMPQ, OPQ, and PPQ gets regularly organized within my guild/alliance, where we just knock out tons of efficient runs together.

Regarding Dep Star:
Yeah, you need level 80 but that's fine for washing too. You have 75 levels left to HP wash!
TRICK TIP: Search ML rankings for a level 180+ warrior. /find them in-game and ask if they are hunting Bigfoot. There is literally always at least one of them doing so and they are always happy to help you out for free.

Regarding Minibossing:
You have a good point. This is the best option for those who are busy doing other things and not looking to actively earn mesos. This is what worked well for me while I was studying.

Note:
There are definitely other options to earn mesos too! You can net a guaranteed 750k - 1m mesos doing the orbis rock scroll quest once a day! Train at voodoos to get them heartstoppers which sell for great mesos!

Also, sorry for the "regarding" format. It seems kinda stoic but I thought it'd be helpful to organize my response in our discussion.

 

Not sure if you're simply complaining at this point or actually suggesting something. Everytime julianlee93 posts useful information you're rejecting it and saying the opposite.

 

My guild and I try our best to be a welcoming option for new players to join.

In the end, it makes a big difference depending on who you get to meet in those first few weeks of gameplay. This is why one of my suggestions I mentioned in your previous thread was to do something like this:

 

I'm not here to pick sides or to tell anyone their opinions are right or wrong. I can see you're passionate about the game and want new players to stick around, but I don't entirely agree with some of the points being made. So, I am trying to provide insight with what I've learned myself, in hopes we'll be able to paint a clearer picture for where the issue lies and what we can fix. Thus, while I do not feel like you're completing rejecting my ideas, I do not feel like the heart of my points is getting across.

So - as succinctly as I can put it - the heart of my ideas: I think the issue is nuanced and I don't believe the solution is as simple as just 'fix washing' or 'buff PQs'. My belief is that the most vital aspects to these issue are, in order of most important to least: (1)availability of more reliable information, (2)an effective method to plug new players into the community, and (3)small tweaks to re-balance the game as the state of the game changes.

I believe the 3rd aspect has been achieved, for the most part (though it should be revisited regularly). The first and second are where I would like to see our attention focused.

 

I agree. I think. What information? Perking up here because #1 is something that players can make happen.

 

I don't see why you insist that players are leaving due to hp washing. Especially since monster rings release wasn't too long ago.

First off players have free access to guides and tips available on the forums and discord. (Easy thing to find).
Second the issue involving high amounts of hp washing were taken care of with the addition of 2 rings that give a total of 1100 hp. You can argue that its hard to get tier 10 rings, but since the 2nd update on rings and the upcoming teaser on a 3rd release rings should be a lot easier to manage.
Also the argument of you not having a t10 is silly because you aren't 155+ either so you have plenty of time.
Your friend not wanting to wash is silly, he neither has to add int or anything else but wash possibly 10 times especially since the nx is free.
From what i see most people quit because of hp washing yes, but it is because they push themselves to achieve ridiculous hp goals is the main reason. Especially since the release of the rings giving 1100 hp is incredibly generous. Which equates to over 60 washes to ranged classes.