Auf Haven touch must match PB Big Bang Damage or get reajustes to Vanila 24K

First, i’d like to thank staff with the pog work on NTPT2 and how it is a pretty accurate way to balance cleavers over rangers.

Second, i’d like to bring a problem that must be revisited by staff.

The problem: Auf Haven reworked touch is slightly above a really important wash threshold already present on the game.

Vanilla Auf Haven touch is around 24k max and was changed to 20K max, while many ranged characters washed to 18.5-19 in order to tank Pink Bean Big Bang. This change came probably not to exclude some buccs/ shad’s who are underwashed for the vanilla value and i’m totally in favor of it. However, if it’s a custom feature, why choose a slightly higher threshold touch value than the most important hp set point for ranged before NTPT2 patch?

The reasoning may be that’s possible to kill without tanking touch. Yeah, i agree it’s possible, however players who wash at that point do all this effort in order not to lose dpm. In my case for instance, i cant even realistically reroll as i already have a untradeable weapon on my character that i wont remake. Of course my opinion is biased but i’ve talked with at least another 5 players who are in the same spot of having level 200 characters slightly underwashed.

Seems really unfair because the value was adjusted to match 20k ho buccs and 10k shad’s, washes that are much easier and less effort taking than 18.5-19K ranged. But again, i’m in favor of the rework of touch value for inclusion reason. It’s just not fair being slightly above that important ranged threshold pre patch im talking about.

In this way, i suggest two possibilities in order to make it fair and reasonable with old players:

(1): Make Auf touch match Pink Bean Big Bang value

or

(2): Bring back the vanilla 24K


I believe the option (1) is the best for everyone as my reasoning doesn’t only include the 19k clean ranged, but the 11.5K ones too: the constant seds and long distance hits from Auf make the surviability of 11.5k ranged really low, meaning that they are reliant on HB. However, Auf dispels a lot too. Being able to tank touch sometimes on HB may mean they they can stay a bit closer to DRK melee in order to get rebuffed after dispel and not die to sed + stun.

At least, i’d like to say that i know washing problemas are already recognized by staff and the defense rework is coming, but i believe this is something a part. In the end, we are still on heavy wash meta and the effort and voting from old players still need to be considered. Not only that- this suggestion also contributes for the content to be more inclusive content and not frustrating for a big part of the player base. It also won’t change the auf meta to ranged in any way as it correctly favors cleaves by much. Alright, thanks for reading Nise xiaoyaoz

EDIT: this is also unfair because some ranged washed slightly above pink bean big bang randomly and are safe from touch, even being far behind the 24K vanilla value

 

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First image shows safe zone while still hitting on NL and archer. 2nd and 3rd on archer only. I wish this helps ranged for now, but knowing the tecniques doesn't change the main point of the suggestion. Thanks again.

 

Mb hehe. I tagged you and nise only because it`s the ones from balanced team i already talked to. I know MapleLegends is a teamwork.

I understand that there are still strategies to be discovered and its totally possible to kill without tanking. However, my main point is that this change is not fair and not really necessary as Big Bang touch is a big wall already for most players. My reasoning is mainly based on how a custom touch value shouldn`t be slightly higher than the previous wash threshold regardless of strategies to kill the boss.

 

I thought about but i think it would be too OP. With that im not only tanking touch if i need to but having a much easier time to deal with DR and get much better survival in general. That alone, would justify muling dk for hb and cleave mule for the summons

 

I mean if they brought it vanilla style i could understand it, but a custom new threshold is frustating.
When it comes to the defense rework, i can`t see how they can make it in a way game doesn`t get pretty unbalanced in favor of the already washed, unless a bunch of 1/1 mechanics get implemented

 

I believe there is already incentive to take DKs to auf. There arent really many running. The problem is that making an incentive to people level their hb mules to 175 is enforcing further pb hb mule, cutting them from pb again