Get beginner mage back

Sry I'm new, I might need some head up about beginner mage.
https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/beginner-mage-guide.44958/
From what I see, beginner mage is a way to short the tot time (tot NX) to make a high washed mage?

 

Just do challenges

 

you can still hit like 14k hp which means their nerf did very little to meta - but with a good enough spin the nerf was justified.

really, what’s the gain from 14k to 20k hp as a mage?

 

The gain is 6k hp if my math is right, let me get my calculator out real quick.

 

about 1 liquidooze

 

Its the beginner DK thats actually OP

 

In their defense I think the nerf was targeted at preventing people from griefing their sp builds in case of a mage rework. They understand there’s functionally little difference between 14k and 20k on a mage but having too many players fuck up their sp permanently becomes an issue over time. Granted, people are intentionally taking that risk and choosing that for themselves but I can kinda see the logic

 

You guys.. I thought the beginner NLs were the OP ones??

I guess I have been living under a rock

 

there was one post on mage rework on the balance thread, rest was about hp figures and talking about 10k hp mages (6 links in the sentence)

 

Hm nevermind you’re right, gave BT too much credit there. That’s a lot of references to beginner mage “advantages”

 

It makes zero sense to keep these high hp mages on the server while at the same time making them unable to be recreated because they are problematic for whatever reason (what's the reason exactly? what's so different between a washed mage and any other washed job?).

Just stop with these nonsensical "balance changes" already.

 

I always saw that as a solid justification for cutting things off before it grew into something more unmanageable.
Beginner mage was becoming normalized despite the relatively negligible advantages because players are responsible for seeing only the current state of the game whereas staff are responsible for planning around both the present and future states.

Imagine if staff decided that having bonus HP from HP washing should warrant some type of damage penalty. We as players always only saw the positives to HP washing and could never foresee future implementations, and now we'd be penalized for buying into the same type of 'exploit' that had been heavily normalized in this server. Obviously an extreme comparison as it would be an unpopular move, but the logic applied is essentially the same. Perhaps we'd be in a completely different state of the game if HP washing as a whole was addressed earlier on in the server's life, but we can't know that because of how prevalent it already is in Legends, and if taken away, could prove to be disastrous to the server.

If staff decides to revert beginner mage limitations so that it's open for everyone to use, and later down the road if they implement something where SP usage is actually important, they're still the ones who will have to bear the brunt of the backlash of the ever growing beginner mage community. It's the same story every time.

Players: "We should have freedom to choose our own path despite consequences. We won't blame staff for making decisions."
Staff: -nerfs something-
Players: "Hey why you do that, you guys make shitty decisions."

 

there still exist constraints on balance team getting too creative in the form of an uninstallation. the bonus hp is great but at some point that extra HP is just not worthwhile for cost (SP, risks)

the cutoff point was when i job advanced

 

I'm fairly confident the people that opted to go for beginner mages were generally well informed and aware of the risks and costs that came with it. That said I am seeing alot of multishads created lately and I doubt they all understand what they're getting into lmao.

Regardless please leave room for players to make mistakes, experiment and play off meta. The server is more and more going into this handholdy state and it's very unfun imo.

 

Yeah, I get it. That's the pros and cons a player has to weigh out when making one, but staff is ultimately the one that has to deal with the repercussions when it becomes another lever they need to consider in future balance discussions. The problem was never that a mage could somehow wash to higher hp thresholds. The problem is in beginner mages becoming normalized to the point where staff has their hands tied arguing against a growing community.

 

It had to be destroyed before it gained a following like NL lobby, bucc lobby, or pally lobby and reached untouchable status.

 

You'd be surprised. I know someone who dumped about 2-3m+ NX into their beginner bishop before realizing they'd not be given back their missing SP.
You're speaking of the present state of beginner mage development, but normalization of beginner mages would have ultimately led new, uninformed players down the exact same path, simply because it had become normalized.

 

thats because of a lack of contingency planning and a reliance on precedents made in the past.

i think on my guide a good half of it (or the parts that i wrote) was on risk

 

You can say all you want about players understanding risks and being fully prepared for changes, but that has never been true for any type of nerf.

From a player's perspective, your best bet is in keeping things under wraps for as long as possible. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.