Nerf ulu1 spawn rate

what inflation? this one?

 

It's not forced though; I never farm with a mage, and I have made perf gear without a mage? So, no you don't need a mage or multi mages for anything. So, you should probably stop using "has" to make a multi mage set up because you really do not lol

 

This has less to do with inflation than it does with supply/demand. The meso inflation rate on the server is demonstratably lower than 30%+ per year as you're implying by the price of 15 wa gloves. The issue is that as the server ages, more and more player start competing for higher tier equipment, while the availability scales at a slower rate (demand increases faster than supply) driving the cost up.

 

Correct, supply and demand can shift the result. If multiple players are attempting to create 15 wa gloves, then they're competing for BWG/YM and GFA30s, driving up the price, and therefore time to create, for those materials as well as the finished product.

 

in the real world, money printing isn't necessarily controlled by the government
inflation is a monetary phenomenon if demand doesn't change

in game money printing isn't necessarily controlled by staff
inflation is still a monetary phenomenon if demand doesn't change

the only difference between 2021 and now is more people want those 15 wa gloves relative to what's available and prices are one way to ration. you may also have forgotten also that in 2021 it was much harder to make mesos/ws which is also reflected in prices.

when i started in 2017, 12 wa gloves were 60m and ws was about 120m. if we value ws at 330m today, that 12 wa glove would be worth 165m. things are much cheaper today.

 

new players always set the “end-game” as their goal and only exit when they find it difficult to achieve.
other players have accumulated 3-5 years of equip, and new players naively think they can quickly complete it like eating fast food.

 

With current multi-client meta, any suggestion on aiming nerfing/lowering the multi-X setups hourly income is debatable, and will very likely not be pushed further unless statisticly one method to grind earns significantly more than any other method.

And if you take a look on forum you will notice threads like yours were posting from time to time.
The core issue I think is not any multi-X setup in particular but the player group "I like multi-client meta" vs "I don't like multi-client meta".

By the way, what's the expected outcome for the finale after nerfing ulu1, or even nerfing a series of maps?
Futhermore, why nerf multi-client map farming instead of multi-client bossing?

 

I think there are some questions need to be discussed:

1. Is it true that new players harder to catch up?
2. Is multi-clienting making new players harder to catch up?
3. Is it necessary to nerf/buff something to make new player to catch up?

Well, based on the discussion in this thread, I personally believe new players now will have a relative easier time to achieve the same goal than before, for example Gen30 book much cheaper and etc. Take a deeper look at this, it is because there is more end game content being added to the server with higher EV for the those high end boss output, and more "old players" move past the stage that they need Gen30 and other stuff, the number of players that able to generate Gen30 from system is larger than before. That being said, new players are more likely take less effort to reach the exact same progress as old player did, my answer to q1 is "NO".

For q2, my answer unfortunately is still "No", because it is not something new players unable to achieve. It is like any progress in your single character, that you need to plan carefully and spent effort. And even you join the server much later than others, you can still benefit from it.
Maybe let's imagine if all of a sudden the multi-client is banned and no one is able to do multi-client, is it easier for new players to make their own progess? I imgine if I were a new player, I would think "all of old players benefits from multi-client then I can not do that", therefore it's harder for me to progess.

For q3, why should new player easier to "catch up" considering this is a 100% PVE game? In other words, why should old players effort should be devalued considering there is no constantly new progress or new content being added to the server in short-term? Currently you can quit months even years and came back with all your assets still values as much as before, do we want to change this?

Setting goals is personal. Maybe I'm wrong about all above, still I doubt will there be that much new players quit due to a feeling that they can not enjoy the most optimal gameplay.

 

Personally, I believe that multi-client farming by older players has significantly benefited newer players. This is evident in the availability of cheaper byproducts generated by players attempting to scroll higher-tier items. For example, while individuals are trying to scroll for a 14wa gloves, many 8-10wa gloves are produced in the process, which are sold at very affordable prices—allowing new players to acquire them early in the game.

Skillbooks such as Gen20/30 and MW20 have also become much more affordable compared to 5-6 years ago, largely due to increased boss runs facilitated by multi-client muling and smaller parties as players have become stronger faster, partially thanks to multi-client farming.

If anything, these dynamics aid newer players in quickly catching up to establish their own farming setups, especially if they wish to, given the affordability of low to mid-tier items. This makes the creation of farming characters relatively easier, as they don't necessarily require high-end gears to be efficient at farming.

 

I guess then we should define what is new player. When a player needs 30% to upgrade the gear, or in your example he/she needs 13-15wa gloves and 71-76 wa red cravens, is he/she still a new player?

If the "new player" refers to players relatively newer to the server, it is inevitable their progress curve is different with older player's, because back in time there were more players at early/mid stage, with time goes they move to mid/end game stage, their demands swift to end game gears which leads to market price changing. That's the main factor.

In my opinion the newer players will have an easier early game than old players did, but as their progess being close to the majority of players, their demands on the market overclap more, they will find it harder to make their progress than former. Anyway, this has nothing to do with multi-client meta, because at that time, these new players should be able to do multi-client as any other players. It's not something exclusive to old players.

I don't think it is multi-client to blame. Consideirng in your OP you suggest to nerf ulu1, you probably knew that ulu1 generate quite a lot red cravens. Then why the red craven price goes up instead of goes down?
I can only conclude that multi-client does not take that much effect on the whole market.

 

The topic of Ulu1 spawn and the prevalent use of multi-mage farming has been a subject of intense debate. It's clear that this method has significant implications on the game's economy and the playing field for new and existing players. However, I believe that simply nerfing Ulu1 spawn might not be the most effective solution. Here’s why:

1. Economic Inflation: Indeed, multi-mage farming has led to inflation, where the meso's value decreases as more of it enters the game. However, nerfing Ulu1 spawn may not effectively address the root cause of inflation. Inflation can be tackled through other economic adjustments and game mechanics that stabilize the economy without directly impacting specific farming methods.
   
   
2. Barrier for New Players: The necessity for new players to set up multi-mage infrastructures to stay competitive is a concern. Yet, nerfing the spawn rate in Ulu1 might not level the playing field as intended. Instead, it could harm players who have invested time and resources in this method without providing an alternative means for effective farming or progression.
   
   
3. Reward for Innovation: The player(s) who discovered this farming method have indeed been rewarded for their ingenuity. While this method has become widespread, punishing players for using an effective strategy discovered within the game's existing mechanics seems counterintuitive. It may discourage players from exploring and utilizing creative strategies in the future.
   
   
4. Impact on Recently Established Setups: For those who have recently invested in multi-mage setups, a sudden nerf could mean significant losses. It's essential to consider the time and resources players have put into these methods. A sudden change could be seen as unfair and may dissuade players from investing in long-term strategies.
   

Alternative Solutions:

• Gradual Changes: If adjustments are necessary, implementing them gradually would give players time to adapt. This approach minimizes disruption and respects the investments players have made.
  
  
• Economic Balancing: Instead of targeting specific farming methods, broader economic adjustments could be more effective. This might include introducing meso sinks or adjusting the rewards and challenges of other farming methods to make them more competitive.
  
  
• Encouraging Diverse Playstyles: Providing incentives for different styles of play can balance the game. Introducing new quests, events, or farming methods that offer competitive rewards could diversify the game's economy and reduce reliance on a single farming method.
  

In conclusion, while the concerns about Ulu1 spawn and multi-mage farming are valid, a direct nerf may not be the most effective or fair approach. We should aim for solutions that respect the time and effort players have invested, address the broader economic issues, and encourage a variety of playstyles.

Thank you for considering this perspective, and I look forward to further constructive discussions on this topic.

 

Although I multi-mage I still voiced my concerns and advocated against it because it is the advantage that any player can use. (more so for older players)

what's my problem with multi-mage??? I have no issue with it personally.
My ire comes from not being able to play as much as other players do therefore, I do not play often. sometimes I skip out months of playing because eh, the effort I can put into the game compared to those who can play every day is (in my eyes) unfair.

haha... so admitly it's because people can multi-mage more than me and put more time into funding their characters that makes me envious. (NOT IN A HEALTHY WAY)
so when I think about playing, I kind of ask myself, what's the point... everyone is way ahead of me these days. my good days were 2020 and before.
so yeah the truth is, I like using multi-mate, I simply hate WHEN others are using this farming method~
AND....I'm not a hypocrite

 

Not when they consistently favour old players

 

just blame Shiveling or whatever his name was.
Also, the conspiracy of a handful of people to take me down is awful
I used to love playing this server but when a few people get the whole community and some staff members against you (and imposing so many systematic changes, etc) it isn't fun anymore.