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Pickpocket change

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Soblet, Nov 10, 2023.

  1. Soblet
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    Hello mooplers,

    Currently chief bandits pickpocket skill is in a rather poor spot as the mesos generated cannot be used to meso explode due to the low meso count per drop and because of this the only use for the generated mesos is to pick them up. To get an idea, roughly netting you about 50-250k meso per party member for boss runs or 1m extra per hour when grinding depending on a lot of factors.

    However,

    Whenever mesos are being picked up (or anything really) it has the potential to disrupt other actions such as attacking or using potions since only one action is able to be performed at once. And since mesos are split between party members using pickpocket during a boss run has the potential to disrupt your less optimal jobbed teammates potion/skill use which could be considered less than ideal.

    So,

    I suggest the current cap of 200 mesos per drop to be increased to 4000 mesos and the chance of mesos to drop to 3% (at max level pickpocket), the minimum amount dropped could be increased to 200 mesos. For example if you deal 5k damage currently you have a 60% chance of getting 50 mesos which would turn into a 3% chance of 1000 mesos.

    Overlapping actions would become much less of a problem due to the lower count of meso stacks dropped while keeping the total amount generated the same, but this also means the mesos dropped can actually be used to meso explode with for a small damage boost, especially at a shadowers early/midgame where they cannot generate as much damage yet through their other skills.

    I'm mostly posting this to gather opinions but if this were to be considered for implementation that would be cool too ^_^. In that case please also consider https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/meso-explosion-knockback-direction.51386/

    Thank you for reading and please let me know what you think.
     
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    ME is such a cool skill it'd be awesome if we could use it more. Sometimes I blow up stacks of pick pocket meso and the damage is barely the same as a single assassinate which is sad
     
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    I support your suggestion
     
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    How about:
    keep it the same 200 meso cap and 60% for monsters.
    Increase meso cap but reduce drop % for bosses.
     
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    I'm not entirely understanding this suggestion but if its about the damage thats done then why not just increase the damage per meso?
     
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    No this is about reducing "lag" with the added benefit of giving meso explosion more use outside of third job grinding.
     
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    I don't see why, lowering the amount of stacks dropped is also beneficial to prevent overlapping actions while grinding.
     
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    Ah, I see thank you for explaining!

    Yeah, that would be nice for a lot of players like the change with Assassinate in the past ^_^
     
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    Yes, yes, yes ! Do this, this is awesome ! Would also make in viable to weave in a ME every now and again if no one picks up the bags. And who doesn’t love the sound of mesos blowing up
     
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    You can have up to 3 pets looting mesos. For bosses, you can just have meso magnet on, but not item magnet (so you don't loot item drops).

    I am not following:
    "Whenever mesos are being picked up (or anything really) it has the potential to disrupt other actions such as attacking or using potions since only one action is able to be performed at once. And since mesos are split between party members using pickpocket during a boss run has the potential to disrupt your less optimal jobbed teammates potion/skill use which could be considered less than ideal."

    Since the pet is picking up the mesos using meso magnet, it's not disrupting anything. I'm not seeing how it could disrupt anything, could you elaborate?
     
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    First off, a bit offtopic, but since the sweeper nerf where your pet can no longer loot items while in dark sight it is ok imo for thieves to leave their item magnet on as long as they enter dark sight as the boss goes down (I've made this a habit and it works very well). You only need to make sure you are not seduced at that point which is only possible at some bosses. This works nicely at bosses where you might want to loot summons drops like at Core Blaze.

    Your pet looting mesos counts as an action for everyone receiving the mesos, which due to mesos being shared among party members is everyone in your party in the same map any time you loot any amount of mesos. The high volume of mesos currently looted through pickpocket makes this an issue which this suggestion could somewhat alleviate. The same principle applies to grinding where you cannot cast a skill at the same time your pet is looting items/mesos making for less fluent gameplay.
     
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    cannot cast a skill at the same time your pet is looting items/mesos.

    Which skills cannot be cast same time as pet looting? I haven't found that to be an issue. Only 2 skills I can think of are dark sight/barrel, where the pet doesn't loot.
     
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    Any skill, even basic attack or using a potion/pet autopot counts as an action which can be interrupted.

    Outside of pickpocket it is also very noticeable at the CWKPQ bonus stage when people are looting the mesos and you are trying to open the chests.

    I guess it's kindof like snowshoes vs non snowshoes on anything but ice where some people don't notice the difference but it is definitely there.

    For reference here's what blowing up 20x4k bags looks like, it seems like a decent dpm increase to me but after seeing xiaoyaozxiaoyaoz do some calculations on this it turns out to be a rather small dpm increase. Regardless, if considered too much of a buff I would gladly give up IED in favor of this more active gameplay.

    [​IMG]
     
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    The only time my bishop's autopot ever failed was allegedly because of Soblet's pickpocket - excellent assassination attempt.

    Might as well buff pickpocket against bosses at the same time so it's more than a small dpm increase. Maybe you'll get yourselves one more endgame shad main?
     
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    Can you do a DPM test on an easy boss like krex/scar with
    1) Assassinate, no pickpocket
    2) Assassinate, with pickpocket, with pet meso magnet

    You mentioned that pet loot can affect attack, so I am curious if there is a noticeable difference that can affect DPM.

    I have noticed the snowshoes on regular ground before being able to turn faster.
     
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    Shadowers are very much fine imo, could just use a bit more interesting gameplay.
     
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    yes please this must be the reason of all my deaths (outside of poison 1/1 of course).

    But without kidding, i like this idea :) Should improve the stability of a party during boss runs as well.
     
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    What if, instead of the meso dropping on the floor, it was immediately deposited into just the shad's inventory instead?
     
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    I would be fine with this, making it work like Steal for Meso specifically. Pickpocket is a nuisance and causes more problems (pet failures) than what it’s worth.
     
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    But I wanna blow up the giant stacks of pickpocket meso sometimes, it's really weirdly sastisfying :(
     
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