Thoughts about new players' well-being

This is an underrated comment. Blindly following the meta usually won’t put you ahead unless you’re willing to put an exceptional amounts of hours in. Even when I was quad maging I was only generating around 20-25m an hour profit, since it was so saturated at the time, which is pretty similar to what I would’ve been making just selling skele leech. Usually the best strategies involve getting creative, filling a niche, and not doing what everyone else is doing.

 

most of the time following a guide implies you're efficiently mirroring their inefficiencies (^:

 

Shad meta is washed. Wait till people find out about multi-maple island farming.

 

this guy really out here leaking all of the experimental strats

 

One day there will be people multi farming every map in the game and no one else can play. A true paradise

 

u guys forgot the best strat
inheritance

 

It’s a difficult question to answer, and balancing game economies for live games is arguably the most difficult thing you can do. Even giants in the industry have fucked this aspect up royally in the past (Blizzard and WoD garrisons immediately comes to mind).

To me, one of the biggest issues with the game is that other than PB, bossing content does not generally scale well with earning potential vs. total time spent on the server. As you play over time, it becomes difficult to scale income through doing bosses (other than PB) because most “endgame bosses” are either the same level or profitability than lower level bosses (Zakum) or even lower (most of NT, BGA, Toad), especially when accounting for the ability to run lower level content with less people.

Meanwhile, farming scales pretty much at a linear rate: you make a second farmer, you make double the money. You sell two channels of leech, you farm with 6 mages, etc. Multifarming just scales incredibly well, and you can do it for as many hours as you’re available, compared to bosses that can only be done once or twice a day.

Most people don’t, or can’t, participate in this kind of play style. It’s anti-social and for most players, anti-fun. The issue is, it’s highly scalable and also requires incredibly low investment compared to bossing. The total cost to leech a mage to multimage levels is a few hundred mill. They need no gear. The total cost for a single attacker to produce the same hourly income as that one naked mage is… billions?

Farming is just so incredibly cost efficient in terms of set up and so incredibly scalable no matter the set up compared to bossing. Niche incentive strategies usually can only fill a small market, and it’s not viable to ask the entire server to get creative. Realistically, everyone is going to be using one of the same half dozen money making strategies everyone else is using, but between the two major categories of bossing and farming/leeching, one of them is significantly more accessible AND profitable than the other.

There is no world where multi farming and multi leech can be eliminated entirely, I think, it’s just too easy to do and there’s no way BT can possibly eliminate all paths to multifarming. I would, however, like to see bossing income scale better as players level up and get stronger to at least provide a better alternative to farming especially given that bossing has limited entries to begin with.

 

maplelegends is a grand strategy game

 

After thinking about it a bit more, I think it distills to an imbalance of accessibility. This is going to cause a bit of controversy, but I think it's at the core of why multifarming is problematic.

You can get one of the most expensive items in the entire game at level 1 (CS/WS) if you're lucky enough. No other game has this problem. The reason why multifarming is so accessible is it doesn't matter how strong you are, you can kill literally any monster in the game. As long as you're generating gacha, you're generating money.

Gachas are ridiculously problematic when trying to balance the economy. I don't know an elegant way of fixing it that isn't inherently convoluted but as long as gachas exist in their current state, multifarming will never go away.

 

have you seen the absurdity of my meso making guide for beginners

 

I'd argue the fact that all the staffs solutions to multi-x farming have directly affected/punished players that do not participate in that type of gaming, which is a problem for new/casual players.(IE: Skill drop rate nerfs, pots increase etc...). I'd argue Leech/Mule story in general is not very appealing for a lot of new players and the heavy emphasis on it in this server feels pretty wack in my opinion.

 

pot price increases was supported by the casual community because they thought it stops multimages. it's just become a really nice way to tax the poor

edit:
comments section of these threads:
https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...r-event-2022-balance-changes-explained.46741/
https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/potions-cost-renewal.40520/

 

That's actually pretty hilarious and poorly thought out lol

 

Honestly even going back through those comment sections there were already concerns raised about the impact on casual non-mage players. Pretty much all the comments are against the potion changes on behalf of casual players.

 

I agree wholeheartedly. The solution has to begin with the PQ rework so that new and low level players actually interested in playing the game have a viable and rewarding way of making progress, as any potential changes to gacha or farming will otherwise negatively affect this population.

Once the new level curve is securely in place through the PQ channel, then you can begin exploring removing gacha availability from lower level monsters, or tweaking gacha in some form to prevent infinitely scaling farming abuse of weak monsters.

 

look past page 5 of first link
you can search pot prices on ml discord too

edit: added a few more links

https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/pot-prices-for-new-players.46882/

https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/reduce-the-price-of-basic-potions.46061/page-2

 

Meso/items/nx being unable to be picked up by anyone other than the person that whited the mob would nerf a lot of multi farming setup i'd imagine. Not perfect solution, as shad/DK wouldnt be as harshly affected by this change, but pretty good start

 

thats really just a temp 2-3b hit to multimagers that annoys everyone else