Rework dragon roar

i don't think it's possible for that currently due to how drops work

 

Why?

 

gach is a universal drop, so it can drop from any monster, including bosses. nerf one map and farmers will just head to the next one. there's no shortage of maps tbh

 

Again... the point is to nerf outliers. This is like saying you can't increase the cost of NLC pots because people will just move on to using Dews.

 

trust me, that's just how the meta works

 

There's no reason to suppose that the current strategies/maps for multiclient farming are significant outliers across all the possible strategies available. There's just no real reason to pursue lesser strategies so long as the most optimal strategy still works.

What's the net goal with all of these attempts to reduce multiclient farming strategies? At what point do you look at the state of affairs of the server and go "this is what I want it to look like"? If you can answer that, then it becomes easier to look at what is a problem, what isn't a problem, and what can be done about those problems. Without that, it just turns into "nerf this, nerf that" and no real direction as to why or what that accomplishes.

 

clearly roar was not considered when multimage nerfs were implemented. imagine roar unable to be macro-ed, 5-cast limit and nerfed drop rates.
whats the next good aoe skill that is close?
shad aoe? doesnt hit multi platform
archer aoe? shitty avoid gets u knocked.
sair aoe? has a CD
hero aoe? shitty cast time
pally aoe? needs mage finisher
bucc aoe? NA
nl aoe? NA

The best option next is shad and archers which are miles weaker.

 

Does nothing when every channel in master chronos has 3 drks roaring at a time

 

yep, it'll do exactly nothing

 

I've been main DK for almost 3 years on this server and I wouldn't want to see such a change being made to Roar to remove the ability to hit monsters and switch to gaining buffs as suggested.

I believe this is not the best way to "make changes" to the skill since, in my view, it will harm those who use the skill to farm optimized NX, gacha, mesos, etc; but it will also negatively harm, again in my opinion, active players of this class.

Roar is already considered a core skill in the DKs class for its functionality to help control Berserk but it also has many other uses for main DKs during their journey in the game such as grinding, mainly from 80~100 or even more since I've seen active DK players grinding this skill on GS2, CDs, Manequins, WS. Not only for that but also as a card farm during your journey. In my experience it is a very useful skill also for endgame not only for the control of the berserk but for its ability to increase the DPM and even aggro and kill monsters and summons in expeditions of bosses like Zakum and HornTail, it also has aggro functionality to grind in 7F for example.

So I don't see such a change being good for the class in general, it would help to nerf people who use it for farming purposes but in my view it would harm an entire functional and well-established playstyle for people who play effectively with the DK class.

Besides that changing the functionality of hitting monsters to gain buffs doesn't have much functionality in my point of view since we normally rebuff buff skills regularly only in defined periods of time, so when time runs out or when we take dispel, which is not the Roar's case where, more towards the endgame, we use it more frequently to control Berserk, so what would be the purpose of Roar, Use it to gain buffs or use it to control HP?. Besides, I don't see what kind of buff would be plausible to add the skill since DKs have the Beholder skills in the 4th job which already provides almost all types of buffs (Avoid/Acc/WeapDef/MagicDef/WeapAtt) for the DK. It would have to be creative to assemble a new buff mechanic in a possible change in this presented segment.

Anyway, an alteration can and should be welcome but I don't think this would be the right way to do it.

 

Give roar the like 30 damage from crusader shout and inability to actually kill like hh

 

First, we made summon farm mules (mages / archer) to abuse mannequin auto aggro.

Staff responded by nerfing summon drop rate by 80%.

Then, we made heavens hammer / dex bucc mules to optimize killing horntail.

Staff nerfed HH to 50k damage vs bosses and changed buccaneer avoid formula.

After, we made a bunch of mages to abuse temple of time safe spots and mass multimage farm.

Staff responded with sweeper mule nerfs, safe spot removal, and 5 cast limit.

Next, we made beginner DK mules with aura to mass farm gachapon with effectively 0 potion cost.

Staff reworked aura to not heal hp and forcefully removed the option to create beginner dks.

We continued to abuse DK mules and ate the increased costs.

What will staff do next, how will the players respond? Find out next time on dragon ball Z.

 

Stun effect like Crusader Shout would be cool e.e
DKs meta on CoreBlaze plz

 

you give them work, and they give you work.
it's a cycle of work.

 

you forgot to mention it took them 2 whole years to nerf TOT and it was so simple to fix.. don't accept roar nerf so fast. with BT sleeping probably somewhere in 2024.

 

Why do you guys want to nerf gach farming? Are WS/CS too cheap?

 

too expensive

 

/b/ me its oct 2020
playing ML and trying to level up
randos in forum keep saying ITS NERF OR NUTTING
wth.jpg
fast forward 8 months
each and every viable class has been nerfed to poo
gacha drop rates nerfed to poo
items and equips prices soar to grindfest heights
endgame perfected equips officially become unobtainable by normies
fast forward 2 years
try-hard-sweats still battle it out against keyboard-warrior-neck-beard-haters in forums
2023 ML population plummets
total server channels gets cut

...still no storage on island
...as I camp and make marshmallows
...with my wooden club in hand, watching the sunset




lets all agree to stop it the nerfs
unless everyone wants to nerf all classes till they're on par with beginners

 

What you are looking for is not a DK nerf but a solution to farming as a whole. So maybe instead of pointing fingers at the current farming meta we simply focus on the core "issue" here?
(though I must say that my personal opinion is if you are jealous of the farming income why won't you simply do it yourself?)

I do not believe that nerfing the DKs will do any good. Nobody wants to play this class currently becauase of its bad state in the meta and nerfing them further won't help it. Hopefully the redemption of this class will come with the HP Challenges as the new unwashed players will require HB for most bosses.

Anyway, as fartsy previously mentioned; people will simply move on to the next thing, and nerfing this class will simply leave its players angry and frustrated.

Now let's say farming is being overall nerfed, say an overall gacha decrease from mobs, that means getting White Scrolls and Chaos Scrolls will be even more difficult than it already is (and as a 2016 player I'm telling you the market is in shambles).
Such an overall nerf will require a compensation through bosses. For example a significant Pouch drop rate increase for all bosses. This means bossing (and leeching) will be the primary ways to make money and farming will be out of the picture.

However one must remember that such changes will always come with side effects such as Sky Ski price increase etc... after all, the only way to get such items is through Gachapons.
(Unless the bossing buff will be frequent Rare Gachapon drops i.e 3~6 rare gacha per Zakum)

 

the next big thing is shad but its single platform aoe and certainly doesnt qualify as FMA.