Information September 2023 Balance Changes [Explained]

fartsy · Sep 11, 2023

hey what happened to server overview data? they seem to have disappeared alongside chinese youth unemployment numbers

beegoratto · Sep 11, 2023

fartsy said: ↑

hey what happened to server overview data? they seem to have disappeared alongside chinese youth unemployment numbers
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Agree, post the server overview data please.

Edann · Sep 11, 2023

I love these

YellowSnail · Sep 11, 2023

Suggestion for next balance:
- Shadow Partner Skill will now help to protect the monsters from the NL throwing stars

Subterlabor · Sep 11, 2023

YellowSnail said: ↑

Suggestion for next balance:
- Shadow Partner Skill will now help to protect the monsters from the NL throwing stars

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this shit had me rollin well played

Tarnished · Sep 11, 2023

Melee characters can now consistently hit
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WillieG7777 · Sep 11, 2023

As a new low level 70+ white knight, i don't really get any of these updates since there is alot that i did not know about bossing yet and not sure how much the QoL updates are (mainly coz i is noob pally who only loves to go bonk bonk) but hey! most of the stuff looks pretty damn awesome on paper tho! Lets gooooo! (any timeline on when server comes back up tho? just curious)

Subterlabor · Sep 11, 2023

WillieG7777 said: ↑

(any timeline on when server comes back up tho? just curious)
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you won't get an official answer to that anywhere, best thing you can do is watch the discord under announcements and server-status for any updates

NoChorus · Sep 11, 2023

New custom quest line LET'S GOOOO

SYLegend · Sep 11, 2023

Nise said: ↑

Dragon Roar - Drop rate decreased to be comparable to mage ultimates drop rate
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Just why? DR Farming was not that good in the first place as ordinary DK because of pot cost. There could have been a multitude of ways to implement nerf DK mule farming without affecting ordinary DK players. Why the lazy way out?

fartsy · Sep 11, 2023

SYLegend said: ↑

Just why? DR Farming was not that good in the first place as ordinary DK because of pot cost. There could have been a multitude of ways to implement nerf DK mule farming without affecting ordinary DK players. Why the lazy way out?
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actually it was quite good even with normal pot cost

Subterlabor · Sep 11, 2023

SYLegend said: ↑

Just why? DR Farming was not that good in the first place as ordinary DK because of pot cost. There could have been a multitude of ways to implement nerf DK mule farming without affecting ordinary DK players. Why the lazy way out?
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name a better solution, fr because it'd be nice if my bish wasnt nerfed also.

Snork · Sep 11, 2023

cool patch staff gj

Edann said: ↑

I love these
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nuts

Soblet · Sep 11, 2023

Not sure how the NT changes will work out but otherwise all the small and big steps taken here are going in the right direction, awesome!

Rainemard · Sep 11, 2023

LeonardoJF said: ↑

looking forward to testing the new dunas and nib NT hitbox,
nib now will be crazy
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NT is actually so much fun now, I can say I genuinely enjoyed dunas for the first time in my life. Highly recommend doing a full tour when server is back up!

Dimez said: ↑

Genuine question

The roar dropped rate was nerfed because the balance team to some degree deemed DK farming to be either overpowered, unhealthy, afk or all of the above. But this wasn’t news to anyone in fact this was a phenomenon for about a year and patches went on with zero nerfs to dk roar farming the past year.

Almost a year later and now nerfs are set in place to combat DK farming… this whole ordeal reminds me of when people were “afk” farming for almost two years at TOT until the balance team put an end to it. Everyone knew that TOT farming was incredibly afk gameplay. Patches went on for over a year with nothing done until the balance team eventually removed the stairs .But TOT farming was an extremely popular farming method for over a year. Maplelegends players abused the hell out of a farming method that advanced a subset of players very quickly from mid game to endgame in a matter of months due to how long you could farm without paying a heavy tax on your mental and physical. I remember being in VC’s with my other former TOT farmers and saying things like “there’s no way they don’t patch TOT farming, right?” And then ultimately nothing would be done and then we’d celebrate because we’d have another 5 months of lazy farming

My question ultimately is why does it take so long to tackle these methods that the balance team may deem unhealthy, broken or afk. If something is deemed an issue what is the benefit of letting the issue linger on. This is not going to stop, the summer event is going to start and then players are going to find another skill of another class , and make multiple of that class , abuse a afk farming method , it’ll somewhat become meta , it’ll linger on for a year, and then the balance team will nerf it.
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While we can't divulge fully how our drop rates work (even if we did, it would require maybe an entire page of explanation), we've reworked how we've coded it so that we are able to tweak certain skills and how it functions within our drop system. What does this mean? It means we'll be able to change drop rates for any specific skills moving forward without them getting affected by other factors.
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That part took a while to figure out without nerfing the entirety of DK skills like mage previously has. Now that this system is in place, we can tackle problematic skills individually, instead of nerfing the droprate of the whole job, which wouldn't be fair to actual DK mains.

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Aerial Strike - Drop rate slightly reduced

I'm not sure this is necessary. The skill already has a 5-second cooldown, like 30% of the damage of mage ults, and can only hit 6 targets. Is it really necessary to nerf the drop-rate (albeit only slightly) for a skill that can only theoretically kill 1.2 mobs per second?
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That's the reasoning it has for the drop rate to be slightly reduced instead of substantially reduced like roar/mage ults. The problem isn't just with this skill, it's this skill in conjunction with multiple clients, where the recharge starts mattering way less since you're held back by mob spawn timers, so it's mainly the target count we need to take into account.

caution said: ↑

lets delete the class for balance
so funny how ppl decide get the budgeted classes and cry there lifes afterward
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To be fair, other classes are only budget in comparison because NL is that strong. It's a player-made economy, most players will always flock to the strongest/most afk/easiest to play classes. We felt this change was needed as Onyx Apples and Gelt Chocolates make classes that much stronger that a 50% duration on both of these was incredibly imbalanced power per time invested (farming Gelt Chocolates, Onyx Apples, etc).

CauTion · Sep 11, 2023

Rainemard said: ↑

NT is actually so much fun now, I can say I genuinely enjoyed dunas for the first time in my life. Highly recommend doing a full tour when server is back up!
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hope shad can still pin nameless

Lirbo · Sep 11, 2023

Pls nerf Night Lord Triple Throw damage and put cooldown on flashjump too.

That's the straw that broke the camel's back, I quit the class.

CauTion · Sep 11, 2023

Lirbo said: ↑

Pls nerf Night Lord Triple Throw damage and put cooldown on flashjump too.

That's the straw that broke the camel's back, I quit the class.
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is it new that we the most hated class? KEK

Lirbo · Sep 11, 2023

caution said: ↑

is it new that we the most hated class? KEK
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It really isn't.
Frankly, this is not why I made a Night Lord. It's not what I signed up for, and this class in MapleLegends completely lost its only edge it ever had. That edge was being the best at bossing. Now Sairs don't even piss at NLs' direction.

"BuT tHeY dOn'T hAvE ShIfTEr" who cares about shifter when at the end of the day you do more DPS even without it

Nise · Sep 11, 2023

fartsy said: ↑

hey what happened to server overview data? they seem to have disappeared alongside chinese youth unemployment numbers
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beegoratto said: ↑

Agree, post the server overview data please.
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Been juggling a grad program, new job, moving to a new country xD So unfortunately no time this time around for a server overview section at least on patch day xD

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