Buff old maps

guto · Oct 20, 2023

Besides the nostalgia feeling those maps have nothing going for them.
It has already been said before. But, this change could be a nice touch to gameplay while still keeping the old school feeling from before big bang.
Right now, the exp and drop is way worse than the meta maps. A small buff to exp would work, making grinding feel less like a waste of time and also creating alternatives to leeching.
I wouldnt want the spawn rate to be changed, cause it would diverse from what those maps used to look like.
To name a feel exemples: Deep Ludi, El Nath, and even some maps in Leafre, are some of which need some urgent balance.

Ferluci · Oct 20, 2023

Have u been there? Those areas are fine

Mirrors · Oct 20, 2023

Afaik deep ludi has already been buffed in recent patches so they're in a good spot.

Do you have the list of specific maps you'd like to be buffed and buffed by how much?

guto · Oct 20, 2023

Ferluci said: ↑

Have u been there? Those areas are fine
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Yes, I have been there! Those areas are always empty, have you been there?

guto · Oct 20, 2023

Mirrors said: ↑

Afaik deep ludi has already been buffed in recent patches so they're in a good spot.

Do you have the list of specific maps you'd like to be buffed and buffed by how much?
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I will make a list. Just need to get the exact data first

Ferluci · Oct 20, 2023

guto said: ↑

Yes, I have been there! Those areas are always empty, have you been there?
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not really relevant. All meta maps i play in also barely see persons there.

zombies map in el nath are stacked to the brim with zombies. Map is amazing

lv1crook · Oct 20, 2023

Sleepywood sanctuary, and the drake and kargo areas could use exp buffs. Same with most of the el nath mountains minus zombies. Deep ludi is fine as it is more or less but a small buff is still not completely out of the question imo.

As a personal choice I kinda wish bains could be buffed so wanwan spa of hell could be a legitimate training map also

guto · Oct 21, 2023

Ferluci said: ↑

not really relevant. All meta maps i play in also barely see persons there.

zombies map in el nath are stacked to the brim with zombies. Map is amazing
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The fact that this specific map is good does not mean that all the other maps are good

guto · Oct 21, 2023

First, I have to say that I have no experience in balancing and that I am not a professional or maple especialist. I am a casual player that has played maple on and off for some years (since tiger and sushi time), and I am only making suggestions.

Map Forgotten Path of Time<2> :
- Monsters: Klock (lvl 70) = 540 exp
Dark Klock (lvl 76) = 740 exp

- After buff: Klock = 750 exp
Dark Klock = 950 exp

Reason:
1) Monster count is low ( 32 total ), map Forgotten Path of Time 1 (map behind) has 40 total
2) Some similar lvl mobs from other areas give way more exp and have better map spawn rate:
- Extra D (lvl 72) = 930 exp
- Windraider (lvl 70) = 1600 exp
- Greatest Oldies (lvl 76) = 1600 exp / Cheap Amplifier (lvl70) = 1200 exp / Kid Mannequin (lvl 75) = 1440

This is, more or less, how I think some maps in elNath, aquarium, ludi and leafre should be buffed.

LeonardoJF · Oct 21, 2023

some deep ludi maps are very good, I wanted to see something similar with deep aqua (squid), others like klock I think are a bit pointless, high hp and very low exp

Subterlabor · Oct 21, 2023

I'll agree with any map buffs as long as I can escape the 7F hell. Please make Oblivion 4-5 actually respectible exp for ranged attackers @.@

Ferluci · Oct 21, 2023

guto said: ↑

The fact that this specific map is good does not mean that all the other maps are good
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If ur expecting every map to be a good map I have news for u buddy.
Won't happen

'no but i just want some maps to be buffed'

why there are good maps in every region. no point.
seems dumb

Tommygunner · Oct 21, 2023

? i dont know why some people are against this idea but it sounds like a good idea to have more diverse nostalgic maps people can grind at! sounds like a pog change

guto · Oct 21, 2023

Ferluci said: ↑

If ur expecting every map to be a good map I have news for u buddy.
Won't happen

'no but i just want some maps to be buffed'

why there are good maps in every region. no point.
seems dumb
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Why shouldnt all maps be good maps? I am not saying to turn all maps into meta, but some of those are COMPLETE shit, in a XP/minute point of view (no matter the class or lvl). Maybe a 10% exp buff to some especifc maps could be the anwser. Or maybe buff ALL of the really old mobs? I dont know

Daydreamer · Oct 25, 2023

Tommygunner said: ↑

? i dont know why some people are against this idea but it sounds like a good idea to have more diverse nostalgic maps people can grind at! sounds like a pog change
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I agree but a lot of these maps are already quite good. I want to see something relevant (scroll maybe?) added to Cold Eye as these things are absolutely everywhere in the Ant Tunnels.

RemiIia · Oct 25, 2023

buff the spawns at red drakes to 34 red drakes.
i gotta farm the gold sandals for a "blueprint" I have mind lol

15 int+, 15.att+

guto · Oct 25, 2023

Daydreamer said: ↑

I agree but a lot of these maps are already quite good. I want to see something relevant (scroll maybe?) added to Cold Eye as these things are absolutely everywhere in the Ant Tunnels.
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That would be a great change

Tarnished · Oct 25, 2023

A lot of weird old maps are surprisingly good. Not every map is for EXP though, value comes in all kinds of forms - gach, raw meso, marketable items (scrolls, etc), quest items, cards, and nx

To make a strong case for buffing a map you would need a lot good grinding data to prove it's significantly weaker EV than maps that take a similar amount of investment to efficiently farm, which on MapleLegends unfortunately usually means degenerate multi-client farm

Also I suspect a lot of maps just exist to pad the walking distance between farming spots

guto · Oct 26, 2023

Tarnished said: ↑

A lot of weird old maps are surprisingly good. Not every map is for EXP though, value comes in all kinds of forms - gach, raw meso, marketable items (scrolls, etc), quest items, cards, and nx

To make a strong case for buffing a map you would need a lot good grinding data to prove it's significantly weaker EV than maps that take a similar amount of investment to efficiently farm, which on MapleLegends unfortunately usually means degenerate multi-client farm

Also I suspect a lot of maps just exist to pad the walking distance between farming spots
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Well, I guess things will stay the way they are then

xiaoyaoz · Oct 26, 2023

No, things do not need to stay the way they are, but as mentioned, buffing a map is a delicate matter.
The problem with buffing maps are, they tend to end up being a new leech spot or a new farming spot for multimages, increasing the discrepancy further from grinders.
If there are more solid suggestions on which specific map or which specific mob to buff that can improve the grinding experience and prevent the leech and farming issues, it's more likely to get the suggestion accepted.
Hope that helps

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