Thoughts about new players' well-being

Currently it's a bit of both. Multimaging can help significantly increase the supply of scrolls, but usually the scrolls targeted by multimaging are in such high demand that multimaging alone cannot possibly make them affordable to the layperson. In general you'll see up to a 50% reduction in price for items that are heavily multimaged (PoT, Helm Dex 60, Helm Dex 30 are the most notable examples that come to mind as those were all extremely heavily multimaged and did not drop below 50% of their current price).

At the end of the day, some items are just highly sought after and therefore command an exceptionally high price, like Shield MA 60.

 

shield ma 60s were 20m before multimage was popular

 

R>multimagers to iruvatas

 

Still backs up the claim that multimaging can only reduce the price of an item by at most 50%.

 

white scroll

 

spicy take. I don't got time to argue rn tho

multi mage farming ws from drakes when I want a perf bow one day

 

isn't this thread supposed to be about the new players? what are we doing for them?

 

og maple design would have u multi mage at ginseng jars.

 

Kindly welcoming them and telling them to remake with 300 int

 

Some reasons by "new players" for quitting the game:

1. Needing to vote for a very long time to create a viable character due to HP washing.

2. Disliking the leeching meta.

3. Disliking multi-clienting, which is the root cause of muling and multi-client farming.

4. A bad economy, attributed to multi-client farming and the monopolisation of the market.


What we do to help "new players":

1. Promote the HP challenge, although it may not be as appealing as conventional washing.

2. Inform them that leeching is a viable and easy option for new players to earn income by selling leech services, so it’s actually beneficial for them.

3. Explain that on long-standing and populated servers, multi-clienting is common, suggesting it has benefits.

4. Accept that it's a free market.

 

5. Shitpost about them on forums telling them the expensive end game items they want shouldn't be as accessible as it is, and they should work harder while reeling in 200m+ day in mules and leech to buy out all end game items they want.

 

Ironically, you're the one who is making the game seem like it's far worse to play than any others.

 

toxic much?

 

This isn't what I do it's what the large majority of the hypocrites on the forums are doing. Even though you continually try to control the market you're one of the few people I see push for new player experience so I'll give you credit to that

I'm just stating the reality of the state of the game and forums and what I experienced as a new player when I joined 8-9months ago lol. Literally my first hand experience

it's funny (sad) because it's true

 

no one can control the market.

either way it's staff's responsibility to uphold new player welcomeability, not anyone else's.

 

Yes, but 'everyone else' can (and sometimes does) do so much to ruin new player welcomeability.

Besides, it benefits us all if the server maintains a steady influx of players. I think it's fair to say its all of our responsibility to keep the server in a nice spot.

 

That's subjective but also true. The balance changes have largely revolved around end game players and protecting their assets rather than true early-midgame balancing. Rather than pissing off end game players to promote early game/new playerbase health they've largely protected the veteran players due to lash back.

Increased voting nx patch to reduce player washing time gating reverted next day due to lash back
Refusal to make ws/cs and therefore endgame reduced in price - protecting current end game player assets

but there is also this crap

Easy for a level 200 player who does duo/trio HT, 18man PB, Duo Cwkpq, and any NT content in (assuming) duo
Ws+10 bow already completed during multimage/dk mule prime to tell everyone else that Timeless/reverse is too easy to get when a perf bow is 800m, perf claw 900m+
Apparently we should all be walking around with Nisrocks until we are 175+

These opinions largely drive the changes that this server sees, and we wonder why new players don't stick around

 

Sure, but you as a new player came in with a lot of misinformation yourself while people were trying to tell you that your decisions were probably not efficient. What do you do with stubborn new players who clearly don't have a grasp of holistic game balance trying to tell players who have been playing for significantly longer than them they're wrong? The victim mentality only hurts new players from learning and causes older players to resent offering any help.

This has never been about new players vs old players. Old players are actually quite invested in growing MapleLegends and we want new players to stick around.

Idk about you, but any end game player I know has always been more than happy to help when approached with sincerity and humility. It becomes annoying af when people come in demanding changes, trying to point out everything wrong with the game from their shallow perspective, when they've only been playing in the server for 1-2 months, and even more so if they choose not to listen to anything people are telling them as if we're the ones trying to make their experience worse.

People are doomering shad farming without even knowing anything about it. It's hilarious to people who are in the know of things when you see others perpetuating lies about something they don't know anything about.

Anyways, I'm not trying to be hostile towards you. You've changed a lot since you started coming here and I can see your growth, and I hope you continue to be a part of this community. But you need to back off with the pointing of fingers.

 

As much as I sometimes strongly disagree with Subterlabors opinions, he/she is damn right...
It does feel like staff is holding back on changes to avoid old players from rioting (you damn entitled people on yer red winter chairs...). At the same time, its the old players that do stress newer ones to conform to the meta. And before someone claims I havent been around long enough, Ive been here for over 3 years and that should be plenty.

Ofcourse, playing hyperefficient, multiclienting everything and washing to 30k are the best options to reach endgame fast and be rich af, but not everyone is gonna enjoy it. Theres people complaining about multimagers for good reasons, because its not all positive for the game and community. Theres people complaining about the constant advices to remake and wash for good reasons.

Not following the meta (willingly or not) or explicitly wanting to include an extra person in content when its not required for the DPM is being laughed and frowned upon most of the time. Imagine being invited to a zakum party as a fresh 135, but the other 4 players dont want you to join cuz they dont need you and rather get higher splits. How welcoming do you think that would be? I would understand why the 4 would deny the newbie, but if that happens multiple times to that newbie, theyre not gonna stick around. Does this scenario happen? Yes, yes it does.

Im sure theres new players that do believe theyre sincerely doing the right thing when veterans would say they dont, but let them figure that out themselves. Its often better to learn along the way that its not working out that well, rather than being told you suck and should be doing it differently. Does it waste their time? Perhaps, but were playing a mushroom game, its wasted time anyway. (Tho time enjoyed, is never wasted imo)

As Ainz said, its up to all of us to make this server welcoming for new players, and we as a community have to do better. It doesnt matter how long youve been out here, it doesnt hurt to let people play how they want and accept that not everyone wants to play the game as if its their day job. Theres sweaties, theres socials and theres hybrids. We need to accept all of them and sometimes just sacrifice those few minutes, that one box, to simply make someones day and this a better place for all of us.

That said, in some ways new players have it harder than the old ones, in other ways they have it easier. Times change and so does the game. Best we can do is show them around, make them comfy and help them reach the same heights.