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Bowmaster vs Marksman under the new changes

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by GGoals, May 23, 2020 at 6:17 PM.

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    Hello all readers, I am Goals a level 168 bowmaster and I would like to discuss the recent marksman buffs and their good and bad points.

    First off let me say that I do agree that Marksman needed a buff. My reasoning for that is: since there are two archer classes in Maplelegends, the ideal situation would be a situation where there were as many Bowmasters as there were Marksman or at least as much of a reason to pick marksman as there was to pick bowmaster. In the old situation this was not the case.

    The pros for playing marksman were:
    1. More dps in early 4th job compared to bowmaster (until 147 w.attack without si and 192 w.att with si)
    2. Less need for base dex in the early lv’s of 4th job which makes doing zak/papulatus/krexel at lv’s 135-150 with high base int possible and makes washing a little easier.
    3. Its fun to hit big numbers with snipe

    The cons for playing marksman / reasons to pick bowmaster over marksman were:
    1. Worse 2nd job mobbing skill which makes lv 30-70 harder
    2. Worse dps after 147 w.attack without si and 192 w.attack with si
    3. The need for a bucceneer in your party to unleash your full potential
    4. The smooth hurricane skill of bowmaster is also very fun

    With these pros/cons its obvious that there was more reason to play bowmaster then there was to play Marksman for most people in the old situation. Unless you were not intrested in going over 192 w.attack or if you really liked the job there was no reason to pick marksman over bowmaster. I would estimate (this is just my opinion) that this would apply to about 90% of the archers and so we saw that a lot more players picked bowmaster over marksman.

    Again i would emphisise that a healthy balance between the two classes means (for me at least) that there is about the same amount of reason to pick marksman as there is to pick bowmaster. And in my opinion there was a 10% reason to pick marksman and a 90% reason to pick bowmaster (again numbers based on my own feelings) and i want to see this more like 50% and 50%

    Now to discuss the new changes:
    In the new situation a marksman deals the same dps as a bowmaster at 180 w.attack without si and with 265 w.attack with si.
    Lets discuss a “realistic” obtainable w.attack for a bowmaster.
    Even with a perfect Neo Tokyo bow, a 15 att cape, a 21 att glove, a 10 attack MoN, a 10 att bow mastery skill and 26 att from concentrate you get up to 225 attack (I choose for these numbers because 21 att Sock and always having gelt in nise his calculations is not really “obtainable” ).
    I believe that this is abouth the gear the average lv 190-200 bowmaster has (im a little ignorant on this) and so a lv 190-200 bowmaster will still out dps a lv 190-200 marksman without si. HOWEVER, the average lv 190-200 bowmaster will get out damaged by a lv 190-200 marksman with si in this new situation which makes the pros/cons equation a lot differently.

    Under the new situation the pros/cons for picking marksman/bowmaster now looks like this:
    the pros for playing marksman:
    1. More dps in 4th job until 180 w.att without si. I would estimate an average lv 160 bowmaster is at this amount of w.attack in gear and so a marksman will be stonger than a bowmaster untill about lv 160 without si.(180 w.att is a 14 att glove, 26 att concentrate, 10 att bow mastery skill, 120 att bow, and 10 att cape)
    2.More dps than a bowmaster in the late game with si (perf weapon and stuff) unless both use an Apple ALL THE TIME.
    3. Even less need for base dex in the early lv’s of 4th job which makes doing zak/papulatus/krexel at lv’s 135-150 with high base int even more possible and makes washing even easier.
    4. Its fun to hit big numbers with snipe

    The cons for playing marksman in the new situation
    1. Worse dps ONLY WHEN BOTH HAVE NEAR PERFECT GEAR AND ARE ON APPLE
    2. The need for a bucceneer in your party to unleash your full potential
    3. Worse 2nd job mobbing skill which makes lv’s 30-70 a lil harder
    4. Cant use hurricane and to use hurricane is fun

    A lot of people might read this and say: Goals why are you writing this, is this not a perfect situation? A bowmaster will deal more damage than a marksman starting around lv 160 unless the marksman has si.
    I would say to this the following: a bowmaster should do more damage than a marksman late game and right now this is reversed. Its not that hard to always have si, you can make a si mule easily (warriors do it) and there are a lot of people who like playing bucceneer. Its not hard to make a team for horntail and find a bucceneer who wants to join it consistently and you probably want a si for your warriors already. This means that in most boss runs in late game a marksman will actually be better to have than a bowmaster and this will make marksman the best late game archer in the game.
    I would say the only reason to pick bowmaster over marksman in the new situation is if you really don’t want to be reliant on si for your full potential or if you really think you will be able to Apple multible times each boss run.
    I would estimate that if I knew these changes were permanent a new player would be 70% likely to pick marksman and 30% likely to pick bowmaster (which is more healthy than the old situation I agree to that). I might be biased since I have invested a lot in bowmaster but please reconsider these changes and nerf the strafe skill a little so that without si a bowmaster would still need around 180 w.att/level 160 to become stronger than a marksman and with si a bowmaster would need a “realistic” w.attack to go even with them (225 w.attack or so). If this were to be the case then:
    1. Bowmasters will be harder to play in the early 4th job levels but will have an easier late game in not needing to look for si
    2. Marksman and bowmasters will have around the same dps at high level and with perfect gear.
    3. Marksman will be easier to wash than bowmaster however bowmaster will deal more dps with apples.

    This would make it truly 50/50% for people to pick either class (in my opinion) thanks for reading this all. I would like to see your responses. <3
     
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