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HT DPM45 Flex Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Oradious, Mar 31, 2020.

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    Finally got a chance to do an exclusively single target dpm test from left side the entire time (tfw same dpm as my shad). Left head and right head were almost perfectly sync'd so I had the dream setup with the bucc and I on left side and BM and NLs on right side (couldn't do a DPM test first run as mid head and right head were sync'd so everyone started left side). I did no cleaving and almost no wing damage during the test so the DPM is a lot lower than the previously posted ones (cleaving seems to add upwards of 1.5m to MM dpm). We also didn't have a 1-hit bish so the wyverns likely hurt a good bit, especially after heads on both sides started summoning darks. Damage efficiency/free-fire ratio was about 65%.

    Additionally, the DPM test finished with 44 mins left on the clock. Wings didn't go down until at least 10 minutes later when left and right head were already down for a while and we didn't clear until there were 19 mins left on the clock (arms were very healthy). If a DPM45 is more "accurate" the closer the DPM test window is to encompassing the entire body, then this DPM test was pretty useless as it didn't allow me to factor in my pseudo dummy dpm dealt to wings and arms (which the much stronger squads get to), which would have of course significantly increased the DPM45.

    Hence why I think the DPM45 metric is not a good one for comparative and demonstrative purposes for individuals/classes as DPM45s can only really be compared between runs with very similar clear times and run conditions. Something like a DPM20 starting from heads would likely be more informative as it measures strictly the most demanding and relevant part of the fight (we already know what kind of dummy dpm classes can output so factoring in arms and wings doesn't seem all that necessary or productive) and isn't greatly influenced by whether the squad has a 1-hit bish or not. It's a test that all squads, regardless of strength or composition, would be able to accurately take and for which all squads should have HT buff for the full duration of.
     
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    Echo, MW 20, ~30 mins of HT buff

    That being said, wings went down during this period as HT head cancelled so take this with a grain of salt.
     
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    Echo, MW30 (for 25 min), 37 stoppers used and rest on coke pill
    MW30 Died and then had sed mule in pt for smoke, so also about 3 min of free dmg in smoke
     
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    DPM 45 on Echo, MW30, conc/cider
    Nice clean run with some pog people
     
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    Finally we got a less than an hour run, finished by 1:02.
    HT buff the whole time + mw30, sadly no more strawberry :(
    shoutout to master Trlnltyy
     
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    new ht is nice. mw30, se, si, HT buff. about 72% of my 15.17m dummy dpm, 75%+ seems possible maybe with smoke and fewer mistakes.
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    is this dpm with avoid gear??
     
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    it's with dex OA and shoes. timeless pendant is the only avoid gear i find worth it, though avoid shoes and OA aren't bad and might be better for lower lvl sairs i dont remember hehe
     
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    DPM 45 / 5 men run/ Hers used apple but a 6th attacker would make heads even faster/ MW 30/ Smoke/ ThiefNL attacked a bit on his Sed mule/ SI mule

    I didn't cast PA. Started on the right with the rest of the squad and hit wings when right head was closed. Also, hit wings when i was auto rebuffing on my SI on a 2nd pc. Wings went down just after mid head, so i believe it's acceptable for a MM to hit wings when RH is blocked, considering a strong single target group that can easily jump from right to left. However, my dpm would be much lower if any of the NLs had hit wings too. Therefore, it's a contingent dpm as it needs a really strict party composition (Bishop + NL/Sair + MM + SI mule).
    (EDIT)- After more testing i realized its possible to reach 8.1m+ dpm on MM without so much wing damage.



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    DPM45 with MW30, echo, cider, and diamond arrows. Was on left side so no cleaving PA damage and no SI sadly.

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    Wew finally data from a 19x bm with perfect gear. Can you give us info on what your party composition was and how you guys handled rotations?

    Also if you don't mind sharing, can you post your dummy dpm? Would like to see what the damage efficiency is
     
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    yeah sure i will post my dummy dpm, about the rotation's i was staying right side all the way and when mid and right head blocked i attacked the wings but mosly one head was open.
    My party was 19x NL , 19x MM, 18x Sair, 19x Bucc , 19x Bishop.

    here is my dummy dpm with Echo conc mw30 & diamond arrows:
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    MW 30/ No pierce arrow/ Cider/ SI all the run/ Focus heads most of the time as i could stay left all run. 69-70% dpm efficiency. Same run as Swole 7.8. It shows much better dpm from Bm counterpart. I believe it would mean like 8.6-8.8m dpm from an equally geared BM.

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    This is showing a 71.4% dpm efficiency. Is that the highest reported so far? This is some pog data.
     
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    oh yeah i tried dpm test 3 times and its was the highest
     
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    I didn't expect NL to have many optimizations in HT due to the popular "just told TT" narrative, but it turns out that there are quite of bit of micro optimizations. It may be quite easy to play NL at 90% efficiency, but that last 10% is quite a big gap to cross. Now I understand how ThiefNL outperformed his superiorly geared peers for all those years.
     
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