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Now that Pink Bean is released, there needs to be more sources of HP available

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by RegalStar, Nov 7, 2020.

  1. RegalStar
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    Even though the whole "washing is optional" thing is basically a giant meme, Akash's calculation from this thread (https://forum.maplelegends.com/inde...washing-to-be-optional-on-maplelegends.26370/) showed that at least, technically, it was possible for even unwashed ranged classes to fight every boss except Toad (for Vergamot you can just duck every attack). However, Pink Bean is another boss which is impossible for unwashed ranged characters to survive in - and I'm not even talking about the fireball knockback attack that deals 18k damage. Ariel's reverse genesis does close to 13k damage, so even with extra HP from event gears it's impossible for ranged characters to survive them (need about 8.2k + HB), and while technically it's dodgeable, the attack is perfectly capable of covering enough ground that it's impossible for non-NLs to escape (anyone who tried dodging fire pillars in zak should know this). And unlike Toad, Pink Bean is a very important boss that drops a lot of endgame stuff, so it's a lot less excusable for it to be basically gated from ranged characters who don't wash when the server has a giant "HP Washing Optional" tag on it.

    I have wondered this for a while now - is it possible to increase the buff magnitude of Hyper Body to something like 175% or so? It's probably the "cleanest" solution that doesn't involve coming up with new items (or worse, changing existing ones).
     
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    I don't know if this is possible - could possibly buff HP of the people who are on the PB map? That way the HB isn't changed as OP mentioned above, no additional items need to be added, and it doesn't change the rest of the game besides just this boss?

    At the same time it has only been fought "seriously" once and the server hasn't found proper ways to fight it yet. The more tries that are completed, the more information we will obtain as a server on how to properly fight it and avoid taking damage.

    Edit: Additional idea - Since there are usable items for like resurrecting yourself that are only usable on that map, could there be an item usable for higher HP (possibly %?). This could also address. \

    Hubby's suggestion - After using wheel of time, receive passive buff to max HP.

    I don't think nerfing PB damage is the way to go at all because then it is affecting people who are washed (at 30k hp). Adding HP to lower washed or non-washed characters only for that map will not benefit people who are already 30k, and if they HB to 30k they won't go over so it won't become super broken.
     
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  3. akashsky
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    There are actually alot more sources of HP available now - the problem is that they all expire. Which is pretty safe for staff implementation wise because if they mess up the balance horrendously they just need to wait for the expire date for everything to be fixed.

    What I would like to see is a shift away from expiring sources of HP towards permanent ones. It really sucks to have your characters survivability dependent on events.
     
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    I was thinking about a NPC that sells you a ??? item for 5m mesos (for first 50 purchases) and 10m mesos (for the last 50 purchases) that gives you 10 Max MP for thieves/archers, 16 Max MP for buccs/sairs, 4 Max MP for warriors, or 30 Max MP for mages. You still have to provide your own AP reset for this though.
     
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    Also, this is not very related to the main topic, but looking at Eiji's test video, on ML it seems like it's basically impossible to reliably keep PB aggro'd to the right like people can in GMS. As long as that's not fixed, people will basically be needing 11.5k+HB for PB, so please fix that soon.
     
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