Petition: Alternate Weapon/Magic Cancels

I'd like to know what's the % chance of them happening too, 50%? Some scar runs will have 20+ wep cancels in a row,
Zakum has less, usually less than 10, but why?

 

The weapon cancels on scar/targa are really insane, u can get 10 in a row from the min u start the boss.

 

The way it works is based on skill cooldowns. I think the way to fix it would be if the boss is weapon cancelled it can’t use magic cancel until weapon cancel is over. That way you won’t have magic cancel on cooldown while it never went into effect.

 

That feel when my smokescreen is off cooldown, and I call "smoke next mcancel" and proceed to wait like 8 mins. Honestly though, even like a cap of 3 in a row or something would be nice. Still provides some variance, while allowing us to plan around it in a meaningful way.

 

I'd like to point out that although this is very annoying, it does balance out in the long run. You end up having as many long streaks of magic cancels as long streaks of weapon cancels.

It can be very tilting at times, however. I think that instead of alternating cancels, weapon / magic cancel should share the same cooldown, so that its actually random as to which one pops up.

 

Sure it evens out, but that only applies if you have lots of time to begin with. If the goal is to make bossing a little friendlier for lower levels, an unlucky streak can devastate their runs when they are on a tighter window. More consistent runs also means easier time scheduling lots of different people with different needs. I don't necessarily think strictly alternating is the best solution though. Like I said, even having a hard cap could help remedy the extreme cases

 

This is the most vindictive "agree" I've ever clicked on a post in this forum.

I agree that it evens out, but most importantly of all the cancel watt streaks are just extremely feelsbad and anti-fun, makes you want to strangle whichever developer coded it this way. I definitely hope this can be fixed so that if Scar/Targa uses magic cancel WHILE on weapon cancel, the former does not go on cd, reducing the likelihood of such streaks.

 

I love this suggestion.

 

Interesting that MSEA had no timer for scarlion :O

 

onxy sushi drop from gpq.. user hits thru wep cancel for 10mins ez

 

Duno why but your comment reminded me of the I will prank my father when he comes back home meme.

 

I'm against alternating cancels with no break in between. That would make the mechanic worse than it currently is. Currently, we expect to deal ~67% of our DPS against a major boss that uses weapon / magic cancel.

(for example, horntail prehead spends 40 seconds in cancel, and 20 seconds out of cancel every minute. 20 of those 40 seconds are on average a cancel that screws your class, so you basically attack for 40 out of every 60 seconds).

Without any wait time, it would basically make it so we only get to attack HALF of the time, and only deal 50% of our dps.

 

I hard-agree that weapon cancel streaks are anti-fun. There's no way to play around it. Any given run is completely dictated by the number of weapon cancels you're unfortunate enough to get. I think the main problem stems from the fact that all of our traditional DPS is weapon attack. Magic damage only comes from Mages that have abysmal single target DPS capabilities. A more meaningful way to play around the streaks is if (in an alternate universe) bossing parties were formed to include a healthy mix of weapon and magic attackers, so that a long streak of weapon cancels wouldn't cause the run to take twice the amount of time it normally takes.

I haven't Horntailed yet, but I've heard Mages can do OK cleave(?) damage. Bosses like Zakum body and Scarlion would need single target magic DPS attackers though, which we don't have. I've met some people new to Legends starting out as an Magician and looking to boss in the future, only to eventually be discouraged by how mediocre it is. Feels extra bad if they didn't realize it until 4th job too. Yes, Bishops can boss, but not everyone wants to be a Holy Shield/Symbol mule. Some people want to deal respectable bossing magic damage.

While I hate the the streak-y nature of cancels and wish weapon cancels didn't exist, I feel it's there to promote damage type diversity in parties (something we don't have in ML). Changing it would be just be suiting to our All-Weapon-Attack parties. IMO, it's change the boss cancel system or give Mages some more bossing capability.

 

Let hero’s armor crash be able to cancel it to let us play around it?