Snipe (the new HH?)

Over the years I've seen this idea of snipe mules be floated around. Perhaps its advocates found inspiration from the great HH mule revolution, if HH was broken due to its fixed damage properties, surely we can do the same with the other fixed damage skill? However snipe mule advocates fail to understand what is it that actually made HH mules broken, there are a variety of important traits that HH mules had that snipe mules do not.
1. Ability to reach 30k hp + achilles with no washing
2. Ability to minimize repositioning time through stance + guardian(+possible luk investment)
3. Long CD on damage skill

#1 is important for both survivability and minimization of pot burn. Even if you pumped only HP from level 1-140 on an archer, you would have somewhere around 16k hp. Compared to HH mules with achilles and 30k hp the pot burn and survivability is going to be way worse.

#2 If you think that snipe mules are going to be able to press 1 button every 5 seconds to get 2.4m dpm, thats quite the pipe dream. Anyone that has played non-thief/warrior classes should understand how big of a role KB plays in boss runs. Without stance or some form of KB mitigation you will have to spent a lot of effort repositioning snipe mules for each snipe.

#3 Post nerf HH was 15 second cd compared to Snipe's 5 second CD. If you want to control the snipe mule optimally you are going to have to tab into the mule client 3 times as much. This combined with #2 makes this mule difficult enough to control to the point where you might as well just join a certain foot paladin and start attacking on 2 characters.

All of these points should be fairly obvious to anyone that has run a decent amount of HT. HH mules were not broken because they added 3-4m dpm, they were broken because they EASILY added 3-4m dpm.

 

The steel-flying type addressed Heaven's Hammer pretty clearly.
If snipe muling isn't a thing before, it definitely won't be a thing in Pink Bean. Snipe isn't even a busted skill lol find me a 17k+ hp, 30% avoid shifter Marksman and maybe you'll be right, bowmaster main

 

Nerf snipe so there'll be less MM = Less SE = Nerf to Nightlord Poggie
I like how you think , you went a full circle to nerf NL :^)

 

Imagine thinking snipe mules are next new thing to ht :kekw:

2021 will be age of sed shad mule
2022 will be age of str sair mule

You heard it hear first, start voting on 5 accounts if you haven’t already.

 

Even if Snipe can hit full damage on PB, Marksman's damage is still below Paladins (assuming lightning charge doesn't hit physical resist), Archmages, and probably even Corsairs, especially if on apples/gelt.

 

I think you answered your own question. Under those (ideal) conditions, you're only adding a maximum additional 1.2M DPM if snipe is unaffected by damage resist. I'm not sure how one could rationalize that as being so much that it could be considered too op or that somehow comparing it to HH is appropriate.
Just in case this is unclear, no, it's not too OP.

 

afaik snipe ignores weapon resist/def and pally thunder charge is still affected by weapon resist. i.e. MM will be the strongest class fighting PB and pally will be marginally stronger than shads

 

You are talking about training a lv140 HP MM and still needing 100% HB up time, while cycling through multiple clients at 5s intervals with repositioning. All this in the toughest boss fight.

Idk. But I will probably do much better in life if I have this level of delication.

 

In the late game Snipe isn't really any more than a quarter of a MM's damage output while on apple, and it might be even less. So in total that makes them about 1.25x as effective as other physical classes if Snipe is the full 200k.

Bringing one in as a mule is out of the question when party slots are the most valuable asset available. A shad mule for dropping mesos to boom during Damage Reflect would be much more valuable and more well suited to survive in PB.

 

Seriously, spending a precious party slot for extra 1.2~2.4(never available) dpm with super squish, requires HB full time and being played not focused(bcz it's mule, multiclient) and easy to die, in PB run which even we feel short for DPM with 30 men squad is overpowered...?

Im currently multiclienting bish+MM in HT run and i cant shot every 5sec sniping cuz im not pro like OP said, cant focus on both clients.

Please know actual situation before you talk about 'balance' stuffs. This game isnt same with paperplan and calculator.