WS drops from end game bosses

I think this topic has been discussed before and ultimately was decided against it.

My personal thoughts:

To be or not to be, depends on perspective.

From the player's point of view: WS drop is favored, due to the reason you mentioned above, end game perfect equips will be easier to scroll.

From the ML owner's point of view: WS drop is not favored, since it will make MapleLegends less v0.62 and make it too easy to reach end game, which should be achieved through effort and dedication.

 

In my opinion, as long as there are white scrolls listed at the current market price in FM, and people are actually buying them, the white scroll economy is in a good place.

If white scrolls dropped from bosses, all future events would probably need to drop white scrolls from their pool, and gacha would probably need their rates adjusted lower to keep current balance.

Right now the price might seem too high, but the market seems active / balanced.



At the ~170m price point, it looks like there is sufficient supply and demand. I would only say that there is a problem if there were no scrolls on the market.

 

If Maplelegends was pre-covid era where there were 400 players online then this idea would work because White scrolls would always be in shortage but now with 2,000 players theres going to be white scrolls everywhere and this won't be a good idea because as you said it makes/encourages getting +7 10% much easier.

Really I would only see that if they added Chaos Zak/chaos HT/chaos PB that drops this but adding it to regular bosses that can be cleared by many squads is not a good idea.

 

Don't torture me making it daily homework, bossing as weekly guild-meetup is fun enough for me kek

 

This is how I would imagine if WS would drop from bosses. Of course, this is only how I think things would play out.

1. WS prices will drop (which means people currently holding white scrolls will be affected)
2. Perfect equipment prices will drop (also affecting people who already have perfect equipments)
3. Dark scroll 30% will drop in price (less money for the new players)
4. Everyone still has money issues. And mages will still have the most money?

An example would be the current Genesis 30 and Maple Warrior 20 market. Due to oversaturation, prices have been dropping significantly.

I think the main problem to solve is how to find a balance between mesos (obtained through grinding/leeching) and free market trading (WS/CS/Mastery books/Scrolls/etc).

In the end, mesos is just a currency. The price of an item is ever-changing, just like real world stocks and money currency.

In the real world, money has more than one purpose than just for shopping. They are used for investments, enjoyment, etc. Instead of asking more drops, would it be possible to find alternative methods to spend mesos?

 

LF>official casino NPC that charges 5% as tax per game. preventing roll scam, also nice to prevent inflation. 2 birds in a shot.

I wrote this as joke but really hope this happens. (sadly I know this would be hard to be happened also )

 

I would only add the next thought-
WS is achievable from gacha while MW20 is not.
So I think if we want to take a step into it we need to make WS double rare item from HT comparing mw20 .

 

i’m pretty sure almost no covid/ post covid player perfected any item with boss income. Most covid sweeties had godly RNG or/and sold lot of leech or/and merched hard. At the same time, most godly characters are old players who farmed HT when it used to be profitable and WS wasn’t so expensive. The game followed a reasonable path for them: first leech/mage farm and then boss all the way (ok some event abuse too). I’m not saying this to victimize as a covid player, but this scenario shows the urge to make boss more profitable. I can say for myself that selling so much leech makes me feel really sad and i ask myself everyday why i haven’t quit yet. I’m pretty sure i would be happier if i could boss to get at least 60% of an hour of leech. Not saying that Ws should drop directly from bosses but if that happens and perhabs lower its price wouldn’t be a problem, despite the market being stabilized. Looks like it has never been so hard to perfect an item. It shouldn’t be easier than other times but it’s ok being slightly easier to match other periods of legends and make bossing a bit profitable. The gacha suggestion from akash seem the best way to do it. Another way would be white scroll/ cs shards or tradable nx drop from bosses.

 

I feel that the WS pricing problem is just a symptom of another bigger problem, which is the lack of good meso making alternatives besides selling leech.
The market ends up adapting to the most efficient one, and since there's a huge difference between the earnings of the available methods, it becomes harder to even consider alternatives other than selling leech.

 

I wouldn't necessarily use market flow as a way to indicate good market health, especially when it's just for one or two specific items.
This could also show a really bad economic trend where WS/CS are the only high-ticket consumables in the market that people are looking to buy, meaning everything else continues to get pushed down in value. For example, if WS/CS were valued at 400m and people still bought them because they have nothing else they're willing to spend their mesos on, buyers continuing to buy at a high price wouldn't necessarily indicate that the economy for that item is in a good place.

It also doesn't help that WS are the main form of transfer for very high-ticket trades and is effectively a way of avoiding tax. This means that people have a reason to buy WS with their mesos whenever they have it and can always fall back on trading them off for larger items or quickly selling them if they need the mesos. This influences the natural demand of WS where not just the people who need it, buy it - but instead, anybody with mesos is looking to buy WS.

 

This doesn't nerf bossing in any way, then why would they do that?

 

Exactly this. There is almost no way to "get rich" for the new players. It is literally a WS/CS or nothing, for every single event now. It is depressing af when you end up getting nothing from the event while doing all the content (Christmas).
Then now you also have people doing shit like 3 mage at ulu1 spamming ulti, farming 20m an hour (hear say amount), which is probably the best way to earn money right now. Such game play is just depressing af.

 

IMMA BRING MY MAGES INTO ULU1 THANKS SENPAI

oh wait i'm too lazy to do that. nvm.

 

Me and old player:


But now seriously, I'm very tired of grinding (since I already grinded way too many chars) and all I want is to Boss for fun and perhaps upgrade my Knuckle but is just too expensive, all boss lately are a joke, that kind of joke you tell and no one laughs at.

Zakum- Ok balance on exp and mesos if you sell helmet as an early 4th job char

HT- The boss that you spend the most time not fighting cos is 1/3 making the same prequest for the 1000th time 1/3 waiting for cancels and 1/3 actually fighting it (even less if you are the seduce target, cant wait for the next update where the arms will have 10 more seds each) Good exp even until lv200 but GL with drops you are gonna need it.

The if Paladin can hit for weakness is a meme boss section:

NT- Really love the Bosses, except Dunas, no one likes him since you spend half of the time doing no damage. Drops are a joke, they got buffed when they added the weapon to drop directly from the bosses but then they realized ppl were getting weapons when they added them so they nerf em even more. All you will get is decent exp (only good if Vergamot and perhaps Nibergen) and a bunch of air, did a weapon dropped? 99/100 is gonna be trash and even if it has good stats GL selling it.

Scar- Half of the boss consists of waiting for the cancel to run off, since the cancels got changed it got far worst, it wasn't that much better before tho. Gives no exp even for low levels, you just suffer to get the best helmet currently

Targa- Same as Scar but mixed with terrible attacks so you will suffer even when is not canceled.

End of the section.

Pink Bean: The most overrated boss in the entire game, people think is this kind of boss that is so hard that is almost impossible to beat but guess what: just like HT if you figure out a good strat is easy like any boss in the game, the real challenge is to get 30 people together and organize them, and well play where is Waldo as you kill it. Bad exp, meme drop rate, even if you get good loot is something that is gonna take time to sell, and of course, you gotta share with other 30 ppl. Kimberly may not know what comes on the future of ML but I kinda know: more Pink Bean nerfs.

Kind of a long reply I did here but I'm kinda burned of how boss drop rates are, perhaps if we got a little something, coins to trade on a store for goodies, coins that share like those presents, something. Don't get me wrong you do get mesos when you boss but compared to all the Mage farming meso deal is far less, and I'm supposed to be an endgame dude. I don't wanna get ritch I just want to afford some WS and it takes so long to even get one right now with the WS price going up.

Anyways stay healthy and make Oak Barrel undispellable #BuccLivesMatter

 

Calling it now o.o

 

+1 for ws/cs shards as a rare drop. Could possibly make them tradeable to 1 WS/CS for 100 shards at 10% boom rate. Initial rates should be extremely low to observe the effects on the economy.

 

Maybe have a scroll of secrets drop from bosses instead of creating a whole new system? It has a low chance of providing a chaos or white scroll and can also provide other items.