Nerf Demolition IED, Reduce Super Transform uptime, or list it as a MapleLegends feature

I could stand corrected, but I don't think it works through wdef buff. It would be even more OP if it does!

 

It doesn't, def buff is really more of a flat damage reduction.

 

The change that you are describing to Super transformation is irrelevant in the long run. Players will eventually max their skills and reap the full benefit. It is odd that buccaneers have this mastery bonus in addition to all of their other amazing features, but again, removing this will be a fairly large DPM nerf to the class (assuming it adds 5% mastery to all skills and not just demolition). If its only adding 5% mastery to demolition then removing it will be less impactful than i first thought.

Barrel cancel is huge in terms of skill expression, and different players benefit differently depending on how good their timing is. The thread i linked earlier does a good job in explaining it. I personally like this change even though it overtunes buccaneer. If there needs to be changes, I'd rather see it in some other area to keep barrel cancelling.

I think buccaneers identity is a cleave/warrior focused support class. They should be the parallel of archers to nightlord. As it is right now, buccaneers are more of a range class than melee. I think it should be the other way around, more melee than range.

 

Can anyone please post a comparison of bucc HT DPM to other classes? With similar gear and level of course. HT is a content where bucc seems to have a tougher time...because many of buccs weaknesses highlights there, like being a melee class without proper stance.

I dont think its fair to compare the dpm on statues.

 

I'm not really sure why you've repeatedly stated HT is difficult for a Bucc in this thread. As someone who plays both BM, Bucc, and duo attacks with both at the same time, I would rate them to be pretty close in both difficulty and DPM output in HT.

The data you are looking for can be found here. The highest DPM for Bucc on that thread is actually outdated, Tini has put up 9.9m but didn't post it, and her gear is pretty comparable to mine, albeit very slightly better (a difference of around 5 net weapon attack I believe) and my PB is somewhere around 9.5-9.6m.

I'm not sure why it's unfair to compare the DPM difference on statues but not HT, too, but for what it's worth Bucc is infinitely easier on statues than BM, it's not even comparable.

 

While this sounds nice thematically, it does not line up in terms of current class identity. 2/3 warriors want to be cleaving, while Bucc cleave is one of the worst in the game, meaning Buccs generally are not happy hitting the same targets. In cleave situations, it makes more sense to be muling a Bucc since whoever would be actively playing it would be generally not having a great time. Buccs, on the other hand, are happy to blast away at single targets or play control, in the case of PB. For the former, this really only lines up with Paladin identity, as a Hero/DrK attacking a single target is wasted DPM when you could be using a dedicated single-target attacker instead. For the latter, due to Hamstring not working, there is far too much wandering around for melee attackers to truly be happy.

Besides cases where Paladins and Buccs happen to have a good matchup (Nameless, Nib, Verga, Auf, Core Blaze come to mind) there's a non-insignificant identity clash in the things Buccs and warriors want to be hitting, whereas anything an Archer wants to hit, a Night Lord usually wants to hit as well. The match aligns much better for the NL/Archer support dichotomy.

 

Here's a comparison between my bucc and bm HT dpm if it helps:




Using similar gear but there's a ~10 level difference. On my bucc, I would hit focus right head / mid head and cross to hit the left head when there was no heads to hit (so no wing hitting). Same thing on my BM, so I think they're both pretty comparable. Both DPMs encompassed nearly the entirety of the fight.

Edit: I dug up a ss I had for drk ht dpm, although I doubt anyone was curious. For this DPM, I also didn't do any wing cleaving and instead crossed over if both right/mid were cancelled. So this is also fairly comparable to the above two DPMs, I guess.
Less geared than the above 2, was using a budget spear. Also was pre drk buff/rework (which was in Feb 2023, whereas this ss was from Dec 2022) so this was with a weaker version of drk.

 

An aspect of balancing that I would like to see more debate about is how easy to multiclient the classes are.
While buccs might be able to reach one of the highest dpms in some content, even getting close to Night Lords, I wonder how much it should be a problem considering that Night Lords (and also other classes) are easier to be multicliented, specially now that multi-atttacking is getting more and more popular

 

Don't you love a 7 second macro of 3x demo's in free fire content? Cause I sure do!

Sarcasm aside, bucc is not hard to multiclient, unless ur handling aggro which is only a few select bosses.

 

I love it indeed, but you also need to consider the 1/3 of the time that you're not on ST.
And since people love to use PB as reference, handling aggro is the main duty for buccs during body, so it's relevant

 

Honestly because of ST cycling I agree with Karn here. Bucc is quite friendly for duo attack set ups most of the time, but I find it difficult to believe it scales as well as NL for trio or higher multiattacker set ups, at least depending on the boss. I don't think Bucc is actually that problematic when it comes to multiattacking, especially when compared to Night Lords.

 

I do agree NLs or any high avoid class is easier to scale to larger extent, but bucc is also much easier to multiattack with than MM/BM/Sair especially on stationary bosses, barrage becomes a non issue as it won't force the kb effect.

 

I would personally disagree, if you look at it from a perspective of DPM efficiency. Let's use for example my own set up, two machines, one attacker each, duo attacker Bucc/BM in Zakum. The BM is allowed to hold Hurricane in the corner with no other input besides rebuffing, and with no AFK timer gets 100% efficiency compared to what I'd be getting with just single client gameplay. There is no DPM loss in this scenario. The Bucc, however, still has to deal with barrel dancing 1/3 of the time as well as repositioning when hit. In my case, I choose to barrel dance because it's optimal for DPM, but in a scenario where someone was, say, piloting two Buccs instead, simultaneous barrel dancing would be incredibly difficult. If one were to cut out barrel dancing and simply macro Barrage/DS, you are now losing DPM compared to single client play. I would agree Sair is incredibly unfriendly to multiattack, likely the most unfriendly, but in terms of lost DPM from multiattacking, Bucc actually experiences pretty significant fall-offs.

 

I think it depends on the boss tbh. In HT for instance I would put Bucc and BM about similar difficulty multiattacking, whereas for something like Nameless or Zak I would give the edge to the BM no question. Overall my personal experience is that Bucc multi-attack is honestly pretty underwhelming, and in almost all scenarios I prefer the BM over the Bucc, with the main exception probably being PB where Bucc is just... something else. As such, I can't imagine Bucc beats out many other classes in terms of multi-attacking besides Sair, DrK, mages, and possibly MM, as non-DrK Warriors and Thieves all seem better suited to the role. I will concede though that there's definitely a lot of room for personal preference and it's dependent on the content you're running.