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Information November 2023 Balance Changes [Explained]

Discussion in 'Update Notes' started by Nise, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. beegoratto
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    Hmm I’m not going to say you’re doing Luk mage wrong but you’re definitely getting less INT and magic attack back than you’re putting Luk in. You’re essentially the same strength as a naked Lukless mage, so I’m not sure it’s any wonder your damage is being gutted.
     
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    I'm not going to do the maths, but I have a hunch that you'd have more tma and just as much hp if you wore an nt wand and went lukless.
     
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    Ferluci Zakum Retired Staff

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    Holy shit wtf is that gear bro
     
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    Curious to know if there are any players with a non-mage character that is over-statted in the secondary stat to wear their timeless weapon - with all of their gear scrolled for HP -- and how that would compare to the DPM of a regularly geared attacker.
     
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    What other class can put all points into primary stat without any downside?
    Maybe we should add luk requirements to ele wands/nt

    I'm aware my gears are not good but that does excuse the fact that with the new formula a luk mage will always do less dmg than a pure int mage with the same magic
     
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    Timeless Prelude, always in style!

    Plus, those are some NICE earrings and staff you've got equipped! :)
     
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    DrChuchu Balance Team Staff Member Balance Team

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    You will do the same damage as a level 200 lukless mage with 1423 tma.
     
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    Ainz Zakum

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    I don't believe this is the case... Is it?
    Based on the information we were given, I can't find anything that indicates this would be the case.
     
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    then why is this mage able to do more dmg with less magic?
    [​IMG] [​IMG]

     
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    DrChuchu Balance Team Staff Member Balance Team

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    If he has the same 1423 TMA as your lv 200 mage at lv 192, that means his gear is 40 tma stronger than your gear (5 int x 8 levels). When his 192 mage reaches lv 200 with the same gear, his tma is not going to be 1423.
     
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    literal tldr from past 8 pages:

    luk mage got buffed more than lukless this patch
     
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    I just recreated 1423 magic, pikachu is right, I even got a lower roll than you in one of the tests, its just that for a dpm1 theres gonna be high rolls and low rolls
     
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    Actually, I started out LUKless and reset into LUK build. I have about 30 base LUK rn and I'm gonna reset it down further when I finish tier 10 and get a better OA. There are quite a few LUK mages at higher level though, enough that I have had issues bidding on Timeless gear cause it sells before I can get to it.
     
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    I/L Arch Mage
    Why all the HP gear?
     
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    It's not true, but from my understanding (which again is kinda poor, I'm still trying to understand this change) there's a nerf to LUK mages with bad equips. If you think of LUK mage equips on a scale from 1-10, everything above 7 looks buffed and everything below looks nerfed.
     
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    It's not a nerf to LUK mages with bad equips, it's a nerf to just bad equips.
     
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    the original quote he was replying to was "with the new formula a luk mage will always do less dmg than a pure int mage with the same magic"

    all tma is now equal now so 1500 tma lv200 luk mage is equal to 1500 tma lv200 lukless
     
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    Can we stop prescribing how people should play the game? I as a mage first character used chain lightning plenty during those levels.
     
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    Nobody said mage buffs were undeserved. Not sure why you are happy that your buff comes at the expense of other less geared mages. Both can happen at the same time.
     
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    LUK mage does take more investment at least in terms of time, diligence, and planning to reach the break even point with LUKless. This means that LUK mages with not great gear will probably be hit harder than LUKless mages with not great gear. That being said, the amount of investment isn't as bad as a lot of people think so most decently geared LUK mages should benefit... I think. beegorattobeegoratto
     
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