Potential Wipe / Bishop Changes Discussion Thread

WEED_JESUS · Jul 23, 2016

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WEED_JESUS said: ↑

Just want to clear things up here: the poll is about nerfing bishops in the context of a server wipe. I don't think it would be very fair to anyone to nerf them in the current game.
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Hey guys, Jesus here. As per suggestion by Boggyb in the New World post, I've created this thread as a place to discuss a potential wipe, whether or not you want one to happen, and what gameplay changes you would like to see if it does happen, pertaining especially to Bishops (since they seem to be the biggest issue).

Here are some of the arguments that people made in the previous thread. I've gone through and highlighted what I feel are the most important points:

Gang said: ↑

If proper changes are made before wiping the server, it'll be a different story (My biggest concern would be the current leeching system). With those in place, you could create alot of hype for a new start. I think in the end it will be alot better then the current state of the server.

Perhaps making a few community polls about what direction everyone wants this server to go is a wise idea.
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SYLegend said: ↑

I'm totally against wipes but this would actually be a good reason for one. This server shouldn't ever have had leech in it's current form.
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Distance said: ↑

In addition, I want to add that people on private servers (especially, low rate, and this one specifically) tend to acquire the fantasy that they should have a place in the top rankings because the community is small. I wish people would diminish of this fantasy and understand that the game does not revolve around their butts once there are more than 50 players online regularly at once.

The majority here have been asking for a wipe for the wrong reasons - because they want to be the elite (egoism). This perhaps may be understandable in a small community, but in a large community, a GMS-like community, it isn't possible for everyone to be satisfied with their rank. You could clearly see that on GMS, the top ranks were less than a millionth of the population. Were the rest "Nobodies" for this reason? Does this cancel their private experience of the game? No. Everyone still played, in fact, most of the stories you hear about the old maple won't be from Tiger, Suuushi or FangBlade (Has anyone ever even read/heard a monologue by them?). Suppose you walk around in the street and see an ad for a pizza company with insanely attractive people digging into its pizza, would you now tell yourself "Man, I'm not going to have any pizza for the rest of my life. I used to love getting myself a slice of pizza, but now that these beautiful bastards ate one and got featured on a commercial doing so, I'm moving to a different country where I might get the chance to be featured on an ad for eating.". Heck, do you ever think of killing yourself because you're not as rich as Bill Gates? The privilege to be features on the top 20 (economically or ranking-wise) shouldn't be the reason to play the game (or, to quit the game). You can still enjoy your slice of pizza even if others have had a hundred before you.

In this regard, a correct reason to be asking for wipe is to have the rules changed to be more fair, or fun. For example, the fact that you can multi-client and thus leech yourself. This was not possible in GMS. Leeching yourself is wrong imo because it disconnects the community from you for most of your maple career.
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Togain said: ↑

As somebody who's been playing off and on for a while now, all this discussion about whether to wipe or not as well as no information from the staff makes it pretty difficult for me to want to put in any time since the future of the server seems... uncertain. I'd be down for a wipe for some reasons stated above, such as eliminating leech and balancing some things about v62, but not knowing what's going to happen is causing me to want to just vote every 24 hours without really wanting to play.
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Soblet said: ↑

Wipe +1 along with some changes;

''All'' maps (probably not the ones that were buffed intentionally) mob spawn rate debuffed back to gms standards or at least the skele maps.

Leech changes to disable self leeching or at least make solo grinding faster than leeching an afker (e.g no exp gain after 1 minute without killing any mobs).

Holy symbol changes to gradually get a bigger bonus the bigger the party becomes instead of having the biggest relative advantage with a party of 2 (this could overall be a buff in exp gains).

Remove the luckless elemental wands or add the penalty for bishops using elemental wands.

Remove the FM button.

My biggest gripe with this server is the emphasis on leeching using bishops (I know there's people that do like it and that's fine too!).
Even if you would wipe now without changing anything it would already be alot better than it was when the server first started since many things have been improved along the way.

Just my IMO for a succesful wipe. bb
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Boggyb said: ↑

Personally I'd like HS removed completely or changed to just a 15% self buff or something.
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PuureDank said: ↑

My only problem with the wipe is that all the progress that the server has made over the past 4x2+6 months will be lost. Many, and I mean A LOT of players have invested and dedicated so much time and just a simple wipe will erase all of their hardwork! I do not think the same players that are that high level will have the same motivation to commit the same amount of time to get to where they are now and I'm talking about the high level people. This is probably too precarious of a risk in my opinion without knowing if there will be positive results for sure. I think the GMs should make a decision soon or else this discussion will just leave players pondering whether or not they should invest any further amount of time in this game. And i am just going to use this example as a comparison, there were other private servers that we probably heard of that had a wipe not too long ago (approximately 5+4-6 months ago) and initially it was exciting and hype but the hype dies down after a while na mean and i wouldn't say that server is excelling because of the wipe right now.
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coffee said: ↑

iwant wipe + remove spawn boost+remove gach+lower drop rate by little bit = better server with more people.
people want new start
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If your quote isn't here and you want it to be, PM me.

Any and all input is appreciated. Stay on topic, and please, keep it civil!

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Potential Wipe / Bishop Changes Discussion Thread

[SELECT ALL THAT APPLY] Hypothetically, what balance changes would you like to see made to bishops?

Nerf Leech

Nerf/Ban Self-Leech/Multi-Clienting

Nerf Holy Symbol

Balance Holy Symbol to Encourage Larger Parties

Penalize Bishops for Using Elemental Wands (Nerf Luckless Bishops)

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Potential Wipe / Bishop Changes Discussion Thread

[SELECT ALL THAT APPLY] Hypothetically, what balance changes would you like to see made to bishops?

Nerf Leech

Nerf/Ban Self-Leech/Multi-Clienting

Nerf Holy Symbol

Balance Holy Symbol to Encourage Larger Parties

Penalize Bishops for Using Elemental Wands (Nerf Luckless Bishops)

Other [Post about it]

None

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