Warrior buffs? + Other silly ideas

I assumed the warriors buffing suggestions are based on PB as the boss? Unfortunately I don't know enough about PB to comment on it. However DKs and Heroes still holds the strongest cleave damage. If bosses are made to be cleave friendly (or bosses that takes advantage of cleave but have good rewards to become mainstream), im sure heroes and dks wont be memed without any class-specific changes.

When comes to HP, buccs imo have very little HP when compared to warriors. When T10 ring is not considered, buccs tankiness is very similar to a shad. Add the T10 ring in an shad can tank 1k damage more than buccs. Not too sure if its a big deal or no, but if it is, then a solution can be slotting a passive Achilles into one of their current skills (readjusted to be balanced ofc)

 

buccs do not need to be buffed

 

Buffing achilles doesn't improve DrK's ceiling and dumbs down zerking(both in and outside PB). From my personal experiences, a bulk of my death are from the left bird instantly DR-ing (DR triggering while crusher is mid-animation) and PB facing left suddenly to big bang and not being able to spot PB facing left. As a result, I have to be extra careful and go slow when going into zerking range which is where I lose most of my DPM.

Since PB does 1/1(damage) only when facing right, having a customised % increase in berserk when it falls below a certain HP threshold might help mitigate the DPM loss when falling into zerking range. (ON TOP OF moving left and right to HB ressed people and party members who aren't on the left.)

For e.g. instead of 200%, damage increases to 300% or something of that sort when below 3k? HP (so that this cannot be abused in CWKPQ and other bosses).

Just my two cents.

 

Imo heroes already have it easy enough and the current achilles is as good as it is. (Including at pink bean)
As mentioned at the previous warrior related suggestions, it's more about the meta being single-target favored instead of cleaves aren't good.

Still, a minor buff for rage or nerf on ciders would be appreciated but yeah.
Can't speak for the other warrior jobs though.

 

thats the whole point. shads have same HP as buccs after doubling it (without T10 ring). based off memory, a light washed shad and bucc (50int) can tank similar max damages.

and regarding cleaves, i dont think modifying existing bosses is the way to go. new bosses to be added in future have to take cleave in consideration

 

Big Bang is the only bullshit concern for DKs dying in PB, other than that the dpm mostly suffers from all of the moving around to not get touched. Changing the damage type to elemental(It's physical right now? lol) makes PB zerk friendly while maintaining the challenge everywhere else in the game. With that change DKs are safe above 12k regardless of which way it faces

 

Interesting to see that this similar changes to Achilles is presented in 2021, apart from the 2019 thread. Almost similar to what I've been chatting with my drk squadmate, They're more concerned with survivability than DPM, where QOL such as the hp bar color system used by eiji and afew in the past when it was legal, was the best change ever. Might i suggest to instead bring back the hp color UI system or when in Berserk @ 60% or below hp, to have Achilles to be only then buffed (a secondary mechanics to berserk, buffing other skills): -40% on dmg received. Then the issue of always having -40% wouldnt be so broken if others consider it to be as mentioned above and at the same time rewarding the risk taken to be in zerk mode. As for the other part of the idea we had in mind, maybe when in berserk mode, have Stance to be only then buffed from 90% >> 100% and maybe Berserk to give Avoid and 5,000 M/W def (est effectively saving 2,500hp) attributes, which is a small pot/life saver.

 

Ironically, NL (and shad too) are much tankier than warriors due to the ability to negate not only damage but harmful rider effects. I'd consider the extra effects such as stun, sed, perhaps even control reverse, etc to be a bigger deal than the raw damage generally, as passively dodging means not needing to use a potion in the first place and entirely dodging harmful effects of many attacks. Achilles damage reduction would be warrior-like, and possibly even warranted in a highly washed environment to make warriors tanks again. Although, if we're theory crafting here, I wonder if something can be done to include an abnormal status resistance component, or how impactful that would truly be throughout the game.

On the direct damage side, I hear warrior pot costs can be kind of nuts sometimes, but I'm not sure how that truly compares to say an archer. We need to know pot costs per class to finally achieve "Damage Per Meso" (DPM) class rankings.

 

I've always wondered if stance should come in addition with built in damage reduction or dodge rate as well. We're definitely in the late stages of a server where avoid seems to matter much more than HP (since everyone's sweaty washing projects are coming into form).

Would be super neat to rebrand stance as Parry and have it work in conjunction with Final Attack or something.
Of course, these are all custom and the likeliness of it happening is low, but if Legends is slated to tackle the problems of a late stage server, I think it might need to abandon GMS-like sentiments and lean more towards creative/custom solutions.

 

tfw you ended your wash at lvl 185 and still got 20k hp as bucc

 

This is the solution. I don't understand why people are suggesting number tweaking to change single-target numbers (which inevitably disappoints their nearest neighbour in a DPM tier chart). With perf gear, Heros/DKs have the potential to do 30m+ dpm in 3-cleave. No other job comes close to that. The problem is that there is a lack of opportunity to cleave in bossing. So why mess around with class identities when all you have to do is make cleave more accessible?

 

Even with just 2-mob cleave, our dpm will be above NL's single target. Pretty sure no one goes scarga with only NLs and Archers

 

Sorry mate but you are way off.
Warriors (more so DK/Hero) don't need a "Buff", they need a ROLE.
Bosses should have more mechanics and or 'phases' that makes cleave & mob control (rush/magnet/stuns) more relevant -
but as it stands, there are close to none and THAT is the problem - This is what warriors are DESIGNED to do.
That being said,Paladins already have a solid role as single target, especially in NT.
Also buccaneers don't need a buff, they're #1 class by far x)

 

HB and Rage

 

HB is becoming more and more obsolete as more people finish their turbo-washed attackers. Rage has never really been relevant because ciders and whatever other att pot.

 

Make warriors tanky again.