Information Current map/boss changes

More i/l buffs

 

aaaaand if you don't play mage? o.o cos I think is the only class ppl has in mind when comes to grinding spot changes

 

I think the thread only pertains to mages but obi4 is "still a good party map". I've personally never been there but it's just what I heard.

 

+1

 

Still, all these changes are for mages because they balance maps for mages. Like the odd positions of the mobs at the Shaolin temple only slightly annoying them but not really cos there are platforms you can still stand on no problem (any other job will find the new spawn odd to kill in, even ranged). Or how trying to make duku better by nerfing petri and buffing duku spawn; duku a mob that stuns frequently and needs to be 1 shot to even be a viable grinding spot. Besides a bucc using barrage or a high lv nl with se, no other job can easily 1 shot duku but mages.

 

There was no option, there is always the best map for your class and you will go there no matter what. More than spawn is more map design, a smaller map with clustered mobs do better than wide maps with separated mobs like tot, also I think attackers dmg is hard to change when comes to grinding, on grinding all goes down to how many hits do you need to kill, for a mage to jump from 2 hit to 1 hit is decently easy (unless you are a bishop and you want to 1 shot something that isnt weak to your element). Anyways I would like to see some shaolin changes, my story there was a bit disappointing, going first day with a fellow shadower to duo attacker it, was so fun and we got nice exp for duo attacker till the mages took all the chs and grinded or just sit there attacking every 5 misn to keep the map, had to get back to petri, and now that it isn't as full still good but is a bit mroe anoying to kill it, the mini golden karate guys are ok but the silver spearmen are all over the place, especially for melee.

 

I just want to quickly point out that the changes to "Nest of the Dead Dragon" map are actually a nerf, not a buff. The reason has to do with the fact that gensis(and other mage ultimates) cannot hit the bottom platform from the mid platform. Prior to the nerf, bishops would stand on the top platform and genesis the middle and top platform. Since there were only 2 spawns on the bottom platform, the bottom spawns could be ignored. But now that there are more spawns added to the bottom, the top and middle spawns start to move down to the bottom after a while. Because of this, bishops are forced to move down to eliminate the bottom plat spawns, which greatly decreases the EPH.

There are some specific spot on the mid platform that can be used to hit all 3 platforms at once, but they are very awkward to use and often result in getting knocked off.

Here are some numbers to give an idea of the scale of the nerf.
The following are EPH rates for my bishop at the 2 skele maps before and after the changes.
Skeles are 1 shot about 90% of the time (1270 magic) and there is 1 leecher in the party.

Nest of Dead Dragon(pre-patch): 59m
Nest of Dead Dragon(post-patch camping top plat): 51m
Nest of Dead Dragon(post-patch camping mid plat attempting to hit all 3 plats) : 54m*
The Dragon Nest left behind: 65m

*This can probably be optimized

EDIT: As eiji pointed out below, this information is outdated and no longer accurate

 

All I see mention of here is mages. What about all the other classes?

I don't know much about end-game but I want to believe every other class can also train properly, right?

 

tfw skele buff is implemented after 200

 

the buff to Nest of a Dead Dragon .......1hit skele
slow about 15% after buff

 

ofc other class can train properly cuz they train other map

 

If there was an attacker on the bottom platform doing something rather than the usual bishop leech that happens, I think the exp would be the same or better.

 

no offense, but you are doing something wrong, if thats your epm. ive tested it for 2 days straight with SI, without SI, with 2 leechers, with 1 leecher. youre messing up somewhere.

 

Oh yea those rates were from a while back and were not accurate for sure. I tested right after the first patch and they changed the map two times more after that point. It was also before I learned the correct rotation for the map. After all of the map changes and getting comfortable with the correct rotation I get ~67-70m eph with 1 leecher, no SI. Hopefully that sounds more reasonable!

 

its fine where it is now