Should the Upgrade Curve Be Changed?

I think your newer lines should be on the left. Its less effort to make gains on the lower spectrum now, but much harder at the higher gains.

 

Hello, I wana share my 3 arbitrary "walls".

Simply the amount of meso I'd roughly spend across 12 slots of equipment depending on the commitment of the character:

weapon, offhand
eye, face, earring, cape
top, bottom, gloves, shoes
hat, pendant

100mil - casual but still enjoyable playthrough

• weapon, offhand (up to 20mil total)
• eye, face - 2 to 3 stats (up to 10mil)
• earring - 7 to 9 stats or 14 tma (up to 10mil)
• cape - 4 to 8 stats, 2 wa or 12 tma (up to 10mil)
• top, bottom - bathrobe scrolled +10 to 15 stats (up to 10mil)
  
• gloves - 8 wa or 10 tma (up to 10mil)
• shoes - speed shoes (<2mil)
• hat, pendant - uncle scarga, MoN (~28mil)

1bil - solid for farming and grinding

• weapon, offhand (up to 200mil total)
• eye - 4 stats or 9 int (up to 100mil)
• face - 6 dex or hp (up to 80mil), mage allocate some to other slots
• earring - 10 to 11 stats or 20tma (up to 100mil)
• cape - 6 to 10 stats, 3wa or 17 tma (up to 50mil)
• top, bottom - scrolled +20 stats (up to 150mil)
• gloves - 11 to 12 wa or 15 tma (up to 100mil)
• shoes - 12 to 14 stats (up to 100mil)
• hat, pendant - uncle scarga, HTP (up to 120mil)

3bil - late game ready

• weapon, offhand (up to 800mil total), mage allocate some to MW20 100% svc
• eye - 5 stats or 11 int (up to 200mil)
• face - 7 to 8 dex or hp (up to 350mil), mage allocate most to MW20 100% svc
• earring - 12 stats or 25 tma (up to 200mil)
• cape - 5 wa or 19 tma (up to 200mil)
• top, bottom - scrolled +24 to 28 stats (up to 400mil)
• gloves - 12 to 13 wa or 18 tma (up to 300mil)
• shoes - 15 to 17 stats (up to 300mil), mage allocate most to MW20 100% svc
• hat, pendant - scrolled uncle scarga, HTP (up to 250mil)

I think 3bil meso investment is quite enough for any character to participant in all the end game contents comfortably (assuming HP is sufficient). Anything above are luxury upgrades to me.

 

Anyone serious about chasing godly gear has to have looked at the math and at some point made peace with their own insanity

A single NL will never be stronger than 2 NLs, yet a person could spend a lifetime trying to close that gap. The wall is by design.

 

There, I helped fixed it. Now newer lines on the left. No need to thank.

 

the equivalent player from 2017 with a 70-73 craven is one with it perfected now

 

chaosing for stats is already a thing and capes have been falling a bit. also people would just burn out chasing after the next big thing anyway

 

one thing I noticed was the difference between "optimized" runs different from conventional runs, maybe what you're missing is not gear itself, but a few more lv's to do core blaze for example, rng is rng, but some good luck in core runs for example, can give you more than 10-15 coins per day.at that point the coins made it easier (even before things were cheaper).

I know a guy who with less gear than I did much better content, and that made me more thoughtful than progression in gear, as was said in the topic, you don't need crazy gear to do the game's contents, the thing is to make the contents and think of the progressions as goals

 

One of the points I was trying to make earlier in my Gurk-post was that value should be measured in time invested, not currency. The relative currency value and purchasing power remains the same, yes, but the time invested required is now effectively halved (assuming the price to farm a WS remains the same and not, as you mentioned as a possibility, doubling with an increase in demand).

Part of what makes huge projects like completing a perfect weapon satisfying is that it's the end of a long road, one that we chose for ourselves. All players have the ability to map out a path to their goal, by estimating a cost, estimating their farming ability, estimating the amount of hours they have to put in, then executing on that path, and being able to see the fruits of your labor over a long time brings a large amount of satisfaction.

Reducing the time-to-completion for such projects risks trivializing them. Imagine if we had the ability to farm a perfect weapon in a week: there is no satisfaction to be gained by completing something that can be done so effortlessly. You'll notice in this thread the only players arguing that the value of perfect weapons being lowered are those complaining that they are too difficult to achieve; those who actually own perfect weapons instead only make references to the ability to make and execute on goals.

Lowering the time-to-completion for endgame items is essentially the same as turning ML into a high-rate server, which seems kind of antithesis to what the server stands for. 100x and 1000x servers already exist, as far as I'm aware, and players have the ability to go create a perfect weapon in a few days if they chose. There's no need to change the progression experience on ML to tailor the needs of those who have an inability to set their own goals properly when the experience they're looking for already exists, no?

 

Just stop buying these items at these expensive prices.

we all control the market.

 

I mean there's 5x and 10x servers too, aren't there?

 

i think the cleanest example is multivote which just shifted the curve of what's considered acceptable or not. making items easier just does the same in the long run

 

The fallacy fallacy, where you describe someone's rebuttal as a fallacy in an attempt to dismiss their point entirely. Similar irony in throwing out terms like bad faith argument as a bad faith argument lmao. Beegoratto has been patiently responding to things despite the unwarranted sarcastic responses from the lot of you.

You're asking for shit to be made easier which is akin to higher rate servers. 100x, 10x, 5x, doesn't matter. Anything that impacts the time in which it takes to achieve a certain goal is a multiplier of sorts and applies to this argument. Asking for CS to be changed to 30 coins is literally asking for a 3x adjusted rate of gain.

But clearly, it's the server's fault that you aren't able to obtain these self-imposed goals/markers of progress because of this imaginary wall that nobody can overcome - except for those who find a way to earn and slowly work towards a goal -- but doing that is out of the question.

If there's a wall that you don't think you can surpass, lower your expectations. When you get to the wall, you might reconsider when you look back and see all you've accomplished. Right now, you guys are nowhere near it and are yet the loudest voices screaming that it's impossible and that the system is unfair or broken.

If you really want advice, post all of your gear here.