Update [Beta Test] Challenges System - HP Wash Alternative

The challenge doesn’t prevent you from mp washing.

 

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  This is from the Alpha thread, has it been changed? Otherwise it seems like it would block you from putting points into MP.

 

from the same thread, can’t quote it for some reason.

 

I see that they've changed it(or that the original intent was that only mages would be able to put AP into MP).
Perfect! Thank you!.

That still means that as a mage I can invest a lot of AP into MP, wash it out of HP, then complete the challenge and get back the HP that I lost.

 

Maybe PQ:s could be added as required challenges, in that way PQ:s could actually be encouraged for newer players and also increase the player base for PQ:s. Personally I'd rather have collaborative challenges rather than doing a grindfest on my own.

 

This would work better as an optional challenge as they cannot be completed retroactively once you’re too high of a level

actually even by level 100 you have lost access to most PQs

 

That means APQ and CWKPQ are still contenders as part of the challenges.

 

As a casual player returning to MS, this is a really positive change for the server and I look forward to seeing it in the live game.

Sometime soon, hopefully!

 

I just completed the beta challenges a couple of days ago. Long story short, 10000 deep ludi mobs is too much pain for Lv.100 characters. Lv.100~120 is the most boring part of the game. For washers/funded players leeching is the best option. For casuals like us who look forward to the HP challenges, the exp rate is everything. Deep ludi has sub-optimal rate and atrocious maps (except for maybe dual ghost pirate, imho). Every second I would spend in there feels like a waste.

Now, I am not a tryhard who refuses to do anything inefficient. I take pride in my 1700+ quests completion and 4 base INT as a shadower. I want to tell you that there is a difference between completing tedious yet unrewarding quests and farming a flat number of mobs. It is all about presentation. 20 pig heads for a party? Easy. 400 poopa eggs to make sushi? You've got it. 1000 cursed doll because Grendel fucked up? I got your back. 999 mobs at temple of time to unlock one map, and there's 15 total? Gladly. 10000 deep ludi mobs, because fuck you that's why? Hell no. Thinking back when I was a Lv.100 CB, if I was not meso bombing at FoT or meso printing at CDs, it better be something worth it I was doing with the game. It has to be special, something I can give meaning to, something I could look back and say it was fun. Solving Sabitrama's riddle was fun. Holding down one button is not.

I like the suggestion a lot that says to treat the challenge as another Job advancement. We are asked to go to this one hidden map and collect rare monster drops and bring them to this npc who's on the other side of the globe and they'd give you a necklace to throw into the volcano in El Nath... That didn't really happen, but it could have. I just love the hassle. Another suggestion of require specific quests to be completed is not bad either, although I have all of them done already. Or we can make new quests just for the challenges. I don't really care. My point is, make it fun.

I would also like to throw in my idea which is requiring the character to get fame. There's another suggestion I saw about getting people to do Party Quest, and the problem is there are no Party Quests after Lv.100. APQ is a daily chore and CWKPQ is more like a boss for Lv.140+. (Yes Henesys PQ, you are a joke to all of us.) And then I thought, what if we can retroactively count their past PQ endeavors? Simply counting the times of completion wouldn't be fair since people who skipped some or all PQs cannot make up for it. But what else do people do at PQs? Hopefully they make friends. And they trade fames. What happens if an experienced player carries in PQs by being helpful, or teaching the newbies, or simply dealing great damage? They get famed. Not even guildies or friend groups constantly trade fames. It's only once per month per person anyway. PQs are the best place to meet new people for fames. Late game boss groups may do that sometimes, but honestly I think friendly encounters at bosses should be encouraged, too.

And yes, you can buy fame in FM, but I don't see why not. You can already pay for hair/face, too. It might even be better since most people selling fame are newer players anyway. And I'd imagine buying lots of fame takes time, considering the bar should be significant enough. (I've never bought fame before don't @ me.) Besides, do you know how else you can get fame efficiently? Quests, baby. Hell yeah. I suggest multiple bars to pass at different levels, like 75 fame at Lv.100, all the way to maybe 400 at Lv.180. I just pulled the numbers out of my head, but I'm pretty sure you can get 300+ fame from less than 30 quests.

Oh, and there's this job-specific challenge. I did it with a shadower. It was pointless. Pathetic, even. Something needs to be done, thoughts to be re-thought. I don't know how, but it would be sad seeing this again untouched for the real challenges.

 

is this still happening?

 

They JUST posted an updated sheet with new HP thresholds, so yes...? I don't see anything saying that they aren't coming out soon.
https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/anniversary-2023-balance-changes-explained.50184/

 

i just want to know which equipments i can get from this event ...

 

I've completed the challenges in the Alpha and Beta test and my feedback is as follows:

- The newest set is more balanced. 10,000 monsters was too much for a tier 1 in my mind, 7,000 is better.
- I did the Owl of Minerva challenge instead of the return scroll one, which definitely felt a bit more useful and not as tedious.
- The skill damage ones are more balanced now as they took about 3 minutes in the previous test.

Some further feedback:
- It got quite tedious to kill 7,000 deep ludi monsters after previously having done 10,000 and already getting all the cards there. It would be great if the actual challenges could have a different area or more diverse options.
- The lucky seven skill one felt slightly useless as a Night Lord. While I know the tier 1 is designed for level 100, I imagine there will be a fair few 120+ players doing these. It feels useless to have to use lucky seven when I have triple throw
- I haven't done the quest challenge this time, but I do like the idea. I think it would be great if the challenges also aid in general account progression. Having to complete certain quests might be a good option to engage players with the game beyond leeching their characters. For the same reason I think the mobs in a certain area using an active attacker is a good idea, as it will aid in getting a higher tiered monster ring.

Thanks for all your hard work on this. As someone who joined for nostalgia and stuck around the server, this is the #1 update I've been waiting for. I started washing too late, don't want to re-make my character and can't wait 2 years to vote either. I think it will really go a long way in not making newer players quit or burn out due to their characters being either useless in bossing or unplayable for years.

 

How about adding bossing content to the challenges?
Like killing X number of Zaks, Paps, HTs, etc.

 

i thought the purpose is to have enough hp to boss, so why introduce content that is unclearable

 

You don't have to go straight for the end game bosses like HT, but zakum, papuor scarlion would definitely be acceptable. Okay, maybe not scarlion due to the spawn time, but Zak and papu is definitely doable. Some lazy people might even just buy a zakum run outright ala zhelm runs and guilds could do charity runs for their newbies.

 

how about collecting untradeables from these bosses? 300 zakum diamonds, 300 papu idk whats that thing called.

 

i like the idea, but I believe that for most couples challenges that you can do alone (having the option of do fast going in party) is better
oh not unless we think of a possible market for sales services..

 

not for the purpose of the challenge itself, but I like the idea of using some items like this for an exanged or recycling

 

doesn't affect me but idk why we want such steep roadblocks. i think even 300 of those papu thingies will be like 1 month or so of pa. in that case, just wash regularly