Information Christmas 2020 Balance Changes [Explained]

I guess we want to be known as NerfLegends instead huh

 

haha I remember checking this thread out before was a nice tip thanks! The issue I see is that spot doesn't always work due to the fish aggro, and now with jumping mobs if those giants jump up they'll hit the mules in that spot

Edit: looked at it again i was wrong about the spot you had them in, but yeah still have the jumping mob issue and not killing fish isn't exactly ideal but it's viable.

 

I made an si mule for skeles and bam got hit with the si mage nerf before I've even used it for 2 weeks

My friend who was making a fp and il just got royally screwed over by this

 

Btw Kimmy, isit possible to change it so that I can assign only 1 mage ulti to the macro?

 

On top of that, notice where the characters are on the platform and not getting auto aggroed by the Wooden Fish. Are these going to be implemented too to make the game more "authentic"?

 

That's exactly more of the kind of lazy balances we are expecting

 

Looks like another potential issue is that since the golds jump up the bookcase and stairs, if you get knocked down, you can't even stay below, since your ult won't hit everything

 

As they say:

Spoiler

once the server is back up, i'll figure something out.

 

Digesting.. but overall pretty interesting and thoughtful changes.

 

I love a single map change can make ppl says specific class is "dead" or "unplayable". This is not ShaolinLegends.
How we played ML when there were no mannies, CDs, and shaolins, ulus, petries, ToTs?

Wyverns kekw SwordArt

Spoiler: I still love you cam

 

Where's our extra HP for Pink Bean

 

Maybe Santa's upgradable pendant will do something for us on that front.

 

well said.

 

How about making Enrage a crit buff ( slightly better than SE ) and reduce duration to 90 second or maybe less if it's too OP . The w.attack bonus is just so meh . Also we can give Panic and Coma a debuff so it worths casting and a cooldown for panic and coma, instead of assuming hero an one button class . I mean come on , it's a whole combo system right there .

 

I would like the balanced team to at least think this through. What's the benefit of making an Arch Mage over a Bishop. As of current (prior to this patch), I believe that 5-6F leech is the only place that an Arch Mage can gain more Mesos/Hr as compared to a Bishop. However, with this nerf, what is the point of making an Arch Mage over a Bishop? Below are some Pros and Cons of the two classes.

Pros of a Bishop:
1. Holy Symbol (you do not need a HS mule)
2. Heal (you do not need much mesos on pots in early game), ez GS2 grind
3. Genesis costs 50% less MP than AMs' ultimate
4. Holy Shield and Resurrection are highly wanted in boss runs (Holy Symbol too)
5. Skeles drops yield higher Mesos/hr compared to Petrifighters and Shaolin mobs
6. You do not need to cast spell booster to be faster than AMs' ultimate cast speed
7. Ability to use Taunt mules at skeles to amplify the EPH (this is no longer doable at 5-6F without Macro and freeze)

Cons of a Bishop:
1. Dealing ~30% lower DPM than AMs
2. Efficient skeles leech is very time restricting

Pros of an Arch Mage:
1. Dealing ~30% higher DPM than Bishops
2. Nibergen only does weapon cancels, but not many is willing to take AMs
3. AM can deal average DPM in PB runs, but not many is willing to take AMs

Cons of an Arch Mage:
1. You use 100% more MP than Bishop's ultimate
2. You are not wanted in boss runs because you have 0 utility skills and a meme DPM
3. You need to have a HS mule
4. You need to control more clients to make lesser mesos/hr compared to 1h skele leech
5. You need to cast spell booster to get slower cast speed compared to Bishop's ultimate without Spell Booster
6. You can no longer use Taunt mule at 5-6F without freeze and macro

I am willing to take the nerf if you guys are willing to give Arch Mage an identity by either boosting their DPM on bosses to the point where you are highly wanted in boss raids (i.e.: Bishops because of their utility), nerf Bishop's ability to sell leech (i.e.: increase their cast time), or whatever you can think of to give them an identity.

At the current stage, can you tell me why would you choose to make an Arch Mage over a Bishop when their only "proficiency" was to sell leech? Below are some mesos/hr rates if you sell the leech efficiently:
1. 5-6F ~ 30m/hr (including gacha and drops)
2. Skele ~ 30-35m/hr (including gacha and drops)
3. Petris ~ 25-28m/hr (including gacha and drops)

 

Seems you forgot that how AMs 30~40%ish dmg boost compared with bish made their early 4th job life easier......
(If you don't agree on this, go make a bish and try to 1shot ulu2. that's first hurdle for bishes.)
Also, if you seriously complain about pot mesos, I have no idea how to turn your mind.

One more. well-funded AMs DPM in bossing is lower than well-funded attackers, but I can say clearly it's not state of "meme".
If your AM does only meme dmg on bossing, than your gears are meme.

 

Where is 1hour HT timer

 

Removing both macro and freeze in the same patch seems like a death coffin for I/L. If the goal was to make leeching less brain dead, the macro nerf was plenty enough. I mean I get why the decision was made to make mobs unfreezable - to accentuate the changes of jumping shaolin mobs and to not give an immediate advantage of IL over FP, but the in the end, these changes just favor FP overall.

I’m all for nerfing shaolin content exp-wise because I don’t think leech should be a more viable form of gaining experience than training, but there needs to be expanded content in conjunction with the nerfs imo if you want to consider it balance (buffed ice-weak end game maps).

I just hope this doesn’t move lower level IL mages back to Skeles, as the shift in pecking order often tends to be felt all the way down after these kinds of big changes.

 

I did mention it on the "Pros" of AMs and "Cons" of Bishop, please read it again. Also, the QoL at "early game" isn't even that bad when you can stick with 3h skeles since they are holy weak. You are nitpicking the issue.

To your answer regarding to the DPM, I agree, but would you take an AM to join any boss runs other than Nibergen/Timeless? I have a lvl 190 I/L, I even asked if I'm able to join a PB run. Do you know what I got for an answer? "We typically only invite 1 AM per run". Out of 30 spots, only 1 AM is being selected to join a run. If you do not see where my concern is coming from, try making an Arch Mage.

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