Information Anniversary 2023 Balance Changes [Explained]

Well I hope you (staff, not you in particular) realise how big of a step it is from oldschool maple to adding custom weapons because it didn't hurt.

 

i'm working on 2 intlords rn, will be part of the first in the new double stab generation ^____^

 

Honestly I am having difficulty understanding the potential harm in adding a custom level 35 dagger. I don't see the issue in giving more weapons/content/stuff to lower-level players

Also staff have been adding custom items / weapons for years that have not existed in v62 before - namely, all the NT weapons, all the Pink Bean Reverse/Timeless weapons, and Facestompers, etc...

 

FS were a mistake :moodge:

 

a custom maple dagger only balance the event box reward giving a worth to doing pq instead of grinding for K-fans which are not yet a viable spot for lv 35 bandits
i see no issue here

 

The harm I see is in opening Pandora’s box with established precedent. If double stab gets buffed, does that mean every other useless skill has justification to get buffed as well?

It’s a known fact we have limited dev time. Tending to low impact changes can be seen as a misuse of time.

 

I think what Soblet is saying is that it isn't a good enough justification to add something very custom to a server that advertises itself as old school solely on the merit of "it doesn't hurt". If it's going to be custom, it should at the very least have a good reason for existing and address some significant issue that can't otherwise be solved with a simple tweak. Making a change "just because" could ostensibly be seen as a slippery slope (whether true or not) because if custom changes that aren't actually necessary (but are otherwise harmless individually) continue to be made over time, you'll eventually end up with a ship of Theseus of sorts where the server is no longer recognizable as an old school server. This is of course a bit of hyperbole but might help to showcase the angle from which some people might be viewing it from.

Additionally, I think when most people think of the old school MapleStory experience (and the preservation of its core), they more or less compartmentalize the game into pre-HT content and post-HT content. That is, any changes affecting the latter component doesn't degrade the old school experience because the overwhelming majority of people never even made it to the latter part back in the old days and so it has little to no impact on the people playing the game primarily for nostalgia reasons.

Personally, I don't really have any qualms with custom changes that are a significant departure from the old school base (and even encourage them) insofar that they serve to remedy a real issue. The purpose of the addition of the level 35 maple dagger was to address an issue present with the crafting system. However, if we are abandoning that crafting system then the reason for its existence is now lost. Now does the single act of adding this dagger to the game have any real negative consequences or singlehandedly ruin nostalgia immersion? Probably not, but if such changes with rather flimsy justifications for their addition continue to build up over time, it ostensibly could (at least for the old school crowd and purists) so perhaps custom changes should be made with a bit more care and thought.

That's just me explaining how I think some people might perceive this, anyways. I don't care too much one way or the other at this point.

 

TY Gurkie for clarifiying that's pretty much it yea. Also thanks for making me feel illiterate.

 

I'm sure the dozen of players who actually go double stab bandit route in the next year will appreciate it, if they notice it at all.

I guess shads finally got the rework they deserve.

 

tfw shads ruin another forum thread

 

Any shadower discourse?

 

But what about perma beginners

 

); DROP TABLE Beginners;--

 

Yes, L7 will still outperform Double Stab but with the changes they made, any early Bandit player who wanted to opt for DS won't struggle nearly as hard before. What's so wrong about doing a Dagger Bandit instead of SinDit that it's considered roleplay to do what should be normal? It's not our fault Neckson was terrible at balance and refused to do changes, opting to just make new classes (i.e. dual blade is bandit 2.0 or arans being heroes 2.0).

It sounds to me like you're jaded too some degree. If you're that frustrated with how balance is going, then you should go for the Game Balancer role or apply to be apart of Staff so you can weigh in on the discussions. I've only started Legends almost a year ago and my combined playtime is around 3 months (as I stopped playing to move back to other server). My opinion with Legends is that there's some stuff here that's way behind and I'm baffled as to how some things aren't yet implemented or were handled. That said, I'm in favor of any positive changes even it's not all of what I wanted (you can view my Shadower & Corsair threads as well as my comment history. I also made a comment about the IED before).

While the idea of a "Old School" server is cool and all, the ship has already sailed. We're not getting that childhood experience back. The players have become older and have experienced new games and improved game design since the pre-bb days. You can only try to establish a gameplay style reminiscent of that old era gameplay from the 2000s but improved. Players should have and want QoL on things that makes sense but doesn't completely go off the walls (i.e. HP washing, PQ rewards, faster climbing speed, Dark sight removed from Assassinate, etc).

Of course, what makes "sense" revolves around the Owner's vision and their compromise with the community on requested changes. As long as the gameplay is still intact and is similar to pre-bb, people will enjoy the many small changes even if they don't fully know it. I highly doubt 2~3 years down the line people will go "man I miss when there was less QoL changes".

Most people will certainly enjoy it unknowingly or not. Any other changes should still be requested by the community.

 

brothers, talking about shadowers there is a Quest guide that makes you lv 42 on average very easy, even faster if it is not the first char, I believe it already made the savage blow usable or not?