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[Poll] Balance changes: Meeting Expectations or Falling Short?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Vowels, Sep 11, 2023.

Did the recent balance changes meet your expectations?

  1. Exceeded Expectations

    23 vote(s)
    21.7%
  2. Met Expectations

    17 vote(s)
    16.0%
  3. Fell Short of Expectations

    31 vote(s)
    29.2%
  4. Didn't Have Expectations

    35 vote(s)
    33.0%
  1. CauTion
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    CauTion Master Chronos

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    1.AFK hurricane . 0 skill/attention
    2.items mass produced cus they cost the most lol "easy upgrade " .evry other class get 3 upgrades for 1 NL upgrade
    3. most expensive gear in the game , 130mX8 stars but no use alot pots mmm sound balanced ..
    4. recharge increase too ?
    5. being NL top peek at bosses required the most expensive gear for other classes in the game again ..


    lmao someone is mad. lets be real took my 5 min ? no
    NL will use the same apples as before ,the only thing that took is the party DPM for the apples use in end game bossing
    getting couple extra ciders on me don't effect much tbh

    Cons :
    NL issues need cure
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  2. brunandes
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    brunandes Windraider

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    I don't see whats with the uproar or celebration about the so called NL nerf. All it does is to increase overall squad cost of apple related content and act as a minor inconvenience for all other activities (a few extra ciders).

    Instead of this kind of minor change, I would much appreciate if balance team can focus on the truly neglected classes like archmage and hero.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  3. Subterlabor
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    Subterlabor Headless Horseman

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    so many NL's mad they need to buy the same amount of apples as everyone else it's amazing

    [​IMG]
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  4. LeonardoJF
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    LeonardoJF Horntail

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    I like to wait and see in practice what it will be like
     
    • Like Like x 2
  5. CauTion
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    CauTion Master Chronos

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    in what run your NLs bought less appos ?
    J>
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. wolf666
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    wolf666 Timer

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    I didn't have any expectations for the balance patch and it will remain that way until the HP challenge system is completed. However, I will expect more balance changes once their big project is finished.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. beegoratto
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    beegoratto Zakum

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    People are happy because it’s an APQ buff \o/ we love APQ
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. CaptainNemo
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    CaptainNemo Slimy

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    I'm hoping to see more people there, because finding people for runs outside of peak times is frustrating.
     
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  9. brunandes
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    brunandes Windraider

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    See you at apq
     
  10. Lirbo
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    Lirbo Slimy

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    Fell extremely short to say the least.
    While I must say I absolutely hate this patch, there are some positive aspects too that are important to address.

    1. I'm happy with the Brexton changes, I think it's a healthy change that can contribute to 3rd jobbers, revive a dead training area, and lower the unjustified Shadow Claw price.
    2. Res HP percentage might be a good balance change so people won't simply cap their character with Res 1 as mules, aka lowering the effectiveness of mules.
    3. Hitbox changes

    Here's what I absolutely hate:
    1. The Dragon Roar drop nerf - it's a contentious issue, and this class is already in a sorry state. What often escapes notice is that nerfing one class won't solve the Farming Meta problem; it'll simply shift it elsewhere.
    Instead of continuously nerfing classes, the core problem must be addressed. The real issue lies in the imbalance between multiclient farming and bossing. To rectify this, buffing bosses to make them more profitable is the key. Take Pinkbean, for instance. As a veteran PB runner, I can confirm that most of my personal runs yield around 30m for a 30-man run and 50m for a 20-man run. While there are occasional moments when you can make up to 200m+ if both Facestompers and MW30 drops occur, these instances are rare.
    Also, It's not uncommon for Pink Bean runs to barely break even or even result in a loss, considering the expenses involved in using apples.


    2. Night Lord changes - this one hits me personally. I've been playing MapleStory since 2006, and Night Lord has always been my sole main class, without exceptions. The reason people used to gravitate towards Night Lords in MapleLegends (and even back in the Maple Global days) was because of one key advantage they had - being the strongest bosser. However, this strength didn't come without its drawbacks. Night Lords couldn't mob at all, and they couldn't even excel at the one thing they were known for - bossing - without relying on others. Additionally, their only way to contribute to the party was through damage rather than buffs, and mastering them required extensive HP Washing.

    In a nutshell, they were not the most challenging class to level up in the game (excluding Beginners), but they also couldn't fulfill their primary role without external support. Now, with Alchemy entirely removed from Night Lords, there's practically no reason to choose this class, except for its aesthetic appeal. If you want high damage output, there are better options like Corsairs. For efficient farming, Mages or Shadowers are far superior choices. If you want to contribute utility to the team and be a team player, options like Buccaneers or Bowmaster/Marksman are more viable.

    In other words, Night Lords have lost their unique edge, leaving them with nothing that makes them stand out compared to other classes.


    3. HP Challenges - this feature has been eagerly awaited for almost two years (though I may not have the exact timeline). While I'm probably the last person in MapleLegends who would be affected by it, I can sense the frustration in the eyes of players who have been patiently waiting. While I understand the importance of thorough planning, the amount of time this has taken is becoming increasingly hard to justify. Many players anticipated being able to engage in bossing once this feature was implemented, only to find themselves stuck and unable to progress until the management decides to release it.
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2023
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    • Great Work Great Work x 1
  11. Mirrors
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    Mirrors Zakum Retired Staff

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    You're telling me that the only thing that gave Night Lords their unique edge was... alchemist?

    Are you saying that folks picked NL specifically to get 3rd job skill that gives you 1.5x more uptime on buffs?
     
    • Agree Agree x 14
  12. Lirbo
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    That was one of their edges in bossing, that was especially notable after Corsairs took the damage cake. Now when it's gone, you might as well replace Night Lords with other classes because whatever this class can do, someone else can do it better.
     
    • Creative Creative x 2
  13. fartsy
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    fartsy Zakum

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    In current meta sairs are actually just decent. Just increase your spending on nl and you’re fine
     
    • Creative Creative x 2
  14. iPippy
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    iPippy Nightshadow

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    People really out here thinking bm+nl spam meta is because of alchemist.
     
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  15. -ovv
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    -ovv Horntail

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    I picked NL because of Naruto.
     
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  16. fartsy
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    fartsy Zakum

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    wouldnt that be shadower
     
    • Creative Creative x 1
  17. beegoratto
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    beegoratto Zakum

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    It's an easy mistake to make. Sairs are a fantastic class, better than NLs in every way except for their skill floor, mobility, avoid, pot usage, survivability, ability to survive sed, utility in PB, 1st job, 2nd job, 3rd job, pre-190 4th job, need for 4th job SP, party utility, ability to multiclient, ability to duo attack, and effective DPM in PB.
     
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  18. GooBeR
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    GooBeR Master Chronos

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    Sounds like alchemy nerf wasn't enough. Looking forward to their next nerf.
     
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  19. Lirbo
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    Lirbo Slimy

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    I'm not complaining about Corsairs but Night Lords as they are outmatched in whatever they are capable of doing.
    I could also mention Corsair's edges over Night Lords such as their capability of mobbing, projectile cost, gear cost, insane DPM on certain bosses, and the list goes on... but Corsairs aren't the issue here, and I'm not here to complain about them.
     
  20. KEKMEISTER
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    KEKMEISTER Red Snail

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    He must be a big Tenten fan
     
    • Agree Agree x 4

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