Removing the 'whiting' system

What's the reasoning for removing it? You've only mentioned alternatives but not a reason (outside of it being "competitive").

Is this something that actually bothers people? It seems like it'd be a huge time sink when there are a lot better uses of Staff time.

 

Full leaderboard would be great, but @dpm for the most part gives us all the information we need. In fact the @dpm command already has an incredible influence on the game. The viability of classes, balance implementations, and the progression of damage optimization at relevant endgame bosses all rely heavily on being able to accurately measure ones dpm over extended periods of time.

 

being unable to say "easy white" whenever a head dies would decrease the enjoyment of playing NL by at least 50%

 

Whiting doesn't seem all that competitive to me. Most people talk about it more jokingly than anything else. Like "Oh I whited, pog" and then someone says "Ayyy first time for everything." lmao. There's no sense of competition at all, it's just people working together to finish something. Someone's always going to be the strongest in the group.

 

I personally do not really see a reason why removing this would be beneficial. This is because the people I had bossed with usually are not toxic and trying to flex that they whited a boss/appendage. Instead they would just be like oh cool and continue on.

I mean honestly a solution (which is not viable for bosses like Pink Bean) would just not inviting the toxic people in your life because u don't need that. But otherwise I mean at least you can mute them if you're on vc I guess.

 

The main issue that joota brings up is:

From my personal experience, most people who talk about whiting is usually as a friendly competition within a party and I personally haven't seen any toxicity around "whiting" exp numbers (although I am not saying it doesn't exist). I am 100% all for adding expedition leaderboards, but I know if adding them will fix the issue you brought up regarding toxicity since they are fundamentally different: leaderboards are more for the 'my expedition vs other expeditions' while whiting is 'you vs the rest of your party'.

Can you elaborate a bit more on how people are being "toxic about whiting" / why you're "not for the current 'whiting' system"? I think that would be really helpful. If it's because people are comparing damage, I don't know if removing the whiting exp system will help that much... People will always be competitive about damage, and even if we remove it there will be a "DPM60 Pink bean Flex Thread" up eventually lol.

Somewhat unrelated: Seeing "whited" exp is actually also helpful sometimes! For example, last Halloween event, you could only pick up event pumpkins if you "whited" the mob, which was helpful when pumpkin farming. ^^

 

omg i thought cakesogood was back for a second

 

TL;DR whiting exists in the game but it's not accurate. You are just asking for it to be improved or removed

If this feature exists to give some recognition to the best DPS sure it should go to the #1 damage player in the whole expedition instead of how it currently works which is party based

 

This makes a lot more sense, thank you! TBH, I didn't even know that whiting worked like that. I just assumed that if you whited it means you did the most dmg in the whole expedition, and not just within your party. I'll have to look into it more.

 

This thread has shown the need for pvp content to show who has the biggest e-peen of all, and the solution was actually in OP's first post:




A R I A N T C O L O S S E U M
(And give palm tree chair too)

 

A full scoreboard seems like a good way to gatekeep newer players from bossing.

 

Imagine a corsair being lower dps than a bucc