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Include Beginners in HP Challenges

Discussion in 'Rejected' started by Kargo, Jun 29, 2024.

  1. Kargo
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    Ellooo,

    Beginners can’t participate in HP Challenges. The reason given for this about 2 years ago with the announcement was that Beginners falling under the “Others” category (12k HP), could advance in to something else with that 12k HP and have either too much HP or too little MP for their new job. This was mentioned in the comments of that post, not in the official announcement for if anyone wants to read that conversation. This however is no longer possible, since beginners can’t job advance past level 29 anymore.

    With there being hinted at a big HP-Challenge update coming next patch and the issue with Beginners participating being solved, I thought it would be a good time to suggest this.

    Thanks for reading.

    Opinions? :cool:

    (Also I understand staff are mega busy. Mostly asking if this is now part of the to-do list or is still regarded as something not being considered at this time).

    Addition: 2nd job and under can’t enter the challenges either. Could be nice if they were locked out of advancing at a certain level too and being able to enter the challenges.
     
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    what will a beginner gain from hp challenges?
    which bosses will beginners will be included too if they get more hp?
     
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    I'd say just include them and leave it at that, since they can't job advance past 29.

    Literally wouldn't affect anything as far as I can tell, so why not?
     
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    It would allow them to participate in practically all bosses, even though this wouldn’t happen organically. It would open up more options for Beginners as a community to achieve more funny feats.

    I don’t see a reason not to do it. Low HP isn’t really part of the self-imposed challenge Beginners put themselves up to, as there are also Beginners that have washed. They were excluded for a reason that is no longer an issue. Only thing of course is staff’s time, but I would think it’s super reasonable to throw this low in the priority list. :)
     
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    The idea is cool, I don't think it would be very difficult to edit this since you just need to allow pros to beginer
     
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    Possible? (Give them the same HP as Warriors :cool:)
     
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    > Low HP isn’t really part of the self-imposed challenge Beginners put themselves up to...

    Perma-beginners are characters that have, with full knowledge, and purposeful intent, enrolled themselves into this self-imposed path of inefficiency, and thus (as per my opinion), are responsible for playing the game with all and every one of the limits they have voluntarily self-imposed.
     
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    But Beginners can and need to wash, thus HP Challenges are incomplete as a washing alternative if Beginners are excluded. blushmush

    Addition: Islanders getting events should be reason enough for Beginners to get HP Challenges. Also not playing NL and Bish is a path of inefficiency, but other classes are still getting buffs and changes. Besides that, Beginners being locked after lv29, having exclusive weapons and them even having a ranking in vanilla MS, is enough for me to see them as an official class and for that reason should be treated as such when it comes to issues they share with the “real” classes.
     
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    Yea! I ofc get your point too, making Beginners which are obviously an out of the ordinary path which can hardly be compared to regular classes easier in a way defeats the purpose. I just personally don’t see the lack of HP as part of that challenge, as they aren’t locked out of washing :p

    Thx for sharing your thoughts
     
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    With the HP challenge, the main objectives per tier is usually in relation to the player's class. E.g do x amount of damage using y skill.

    With the limited number of skills available to a beginner, I wonder what skill-based challenges could be implemented?

    (And with no SP resets for beginner skillset, if you haven't chosen 3 snails at the start, you're stuck, right?)
     
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    We currently have no interested in crafting custom challenges for beginners.
    If staff opinion, time and willingness on this subject ever changes then we'll reconsider but for now this is rejected.
     
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