Make map nerfs more consistent

Multi-mage farming methods generating insanely high amount of mesos per hour is created from players trying to test the limits of the game and that's the aftermath of multi-client becoming a thing. And the fact that ambitious players as such exists, is the very reason why re-balancing other or even every high income map doesn't help and will probably never.
Power creep in the server now is undeniable, the next upgrade for each character comes at a huge cost, which in turn requires them to "print even more mesos".

Spoiler: cringe movie line

"Cut off one head, two more shall take it's place"

Nerf a good farming map and players will find an alternative similar or better than it. Correct me if I'm wrong but Cornians, Temple of Time maps or Vikerolas didn't come off as good farming maps back in oldschool maple because such farming methods didn't exist or are unheard of back then.
It's a 2003 game being played in 2021. So is the game broken? Probably, but it's only broken because we broke it. How did we break it exactly? Multi-clienting.

 

I would argue that nerfing maps will actually incentivize the multiclient meta. ML nerfs are actually a big reason the meta looks like what it does right now.

Imagine this, as a single client farmer earning 10m / hr, you are trying to save up for a white scroll that cost 210m. Your multi mage counterpart earns say 30m / hr (or 3x what you make).
21 hours for single client farmer, 7 hours for the multimage farmer to get a white scroll

Both people get a 20% nerf to their income due to map nerfs, 8m / hr for the single client, and 24m / hr for the multimager.
26.25 hours for single client farmer, 8.75 hours for the multimage farmer to get a white scroll

This nerf means the single client mage farmer has to farm 5.25 hours longer to get that white scroll, but the multimage farmer only needs to farm 1.75 hrs more. This will incentivize more multi mage farming.

In order to do the reverse, you need to make single client farming more attractive relative to multimage farming.

 

i believe the future coin system would already reduce the incentive to multi client to a certain extend (where itll mostly affect those who're bossing and multi maging, except those gearing up to 140+). we don't have to always nerf but maybe buff elsewhere and other aspect of the game, example: coin system.

tbh i doubt any bossing ranged players would want to make 3-4 mages, but rather focus on enjoying the bossing content instead (even more so once the coin system is here).

 

nerfing map = nerf legit player
need nerf the metod..

 

On the other hand, I don't think the comparison between multi mage maps vs single mage maps is even a fair comparison.
It's an argument I've brought up before and I'll continue to bring it up; multi mage requires a notably larger investment of time/meso. As a result, I don't find it strange that this generates more meso (in the context of multiclienting being the norm)

 

yea i like this change, seems fitting since back in the days, goby mechanics were meant to follow nearby players who jumped on goby spawn (way harder) to get it's aggro and not having it fly to players

 

touched it already in my post here a while back.
Sequel soonTM to address more concerns since

 

newer maps release in maple are mostly better than old ones in one way or another, that's just the fact on how maple expansions were intended for. i.e coolies post ghost ship/ ludi post sg release lol. you talk about multi mages toll on the server, but u're ignoring the fact of the 'future changes admins have planned', i'm just gona wait for admin's changes and see how the server responds to it and then decide on what next. also, this server has seen many cycles of inflation but yet the market is still plausible

 

I don't think that's true. This isn't like the real world, there are plenty of value sinks in the game. For example, a failed CS instantly takes out ~200m of value from the economy and taxes in game aren't like taxes in reality where wealth switches hands, in this game it ceases to exist. Also farming is pretty dead and way too action intensive compared to pre-sweeper ulu1, you can go to memory lane1 or vikerolas yourself and see how many farmers there are now compared to before. In May to early June this year, there were times when every ULU1 channel along with its dungeons would be being used, so 16 maps being used simultaneously. Also inflation increased even AFTER sweeper nerfs and still continue to do so. It seems the reason is because the demographic of the server shifted to higher levels with more capabilities to make mesos than ever before along with the speculative nature of CS, WS, other high value scrolls, and godly equips, not simply because of farming alone. scrolled attack capes alone are almost ~20~40% more expensive than when sweeper nerfs were imlplemented and continue to rise in price. Sweeper nerfs ended farming as a popular brain-dead way to make money, but it didn't fix the inflation because farming wasn't the cause of it in the first place. It definitely was a problem since it required too little effort, but it was not the sole cause, and as long as the community and the staff scapegoat it this widening gap between the uber wealthy and normal players will widen even further. And people resort to this degeneracy because it's the best way to make mesos, even moreso than pb or ht. Players need a bigger and better incentive to do 'other' stuff, not continuing to nerf things to the point the game feels like it's catering to the staff more than the players.

 

all ready triggered by ur 2nd line to read the rest of ur post. Whether or not a CS lands or fails, that 200m goes to the person that sold the CS. That is not a sink; its exchange of meso. Sinks are meso that go to NPC since they disappear and cannot recirculate.

 

I don't think you understand what I wrote. I said value sinks, and ~200m of value, the entire economy is worth ~200m less after a failed cs, not that there are 200m less mesos obviously.

 

how is meso generated? using time, and this coin system draws time away from the farm fest through directing players who enjoy bossing contents (esp auto spawning mini bosses: manon/ grif/ pianus/ anego cuz it's nostalgic and if they ever get coin drops added) away from the meso generation (less potential meso generation).

The true root are the individual's behaviour playing a mushroom game, not meso generation being > meso sink. And if u would think nerfing one or more maps would change this behaviour, it might not. If only, you're hurting the single mages more and potentially pivoting single/quad mages to create more mages and hog more maps and channels.

I'm sure more opportunities will come by along the way to implement more meso sink features via content release or what not. Shifting the focus away from meso and it's sinkage, we can try and take a better approach via reviewing and increasing legendary rates via gach/raffles/cwk through seasons, making it slightly more accessible to the average player, where the ws/cs service/investor crew would think twice before hoarding such scrolls.