Shivering's Ulu1/Cornian Meso Journal

ok, and would I still need 2 mu sweepers or 1 will suffice?

 

ok. and someone stated "You can literally afk buy leech from 10-80, then poison to 120 in a day. Then spend 1 more day to go from 120-130."

what do they mean by poison to 120 in a day?

 

ah I see.. thx

see you guys at ulu1

 

I feel funny that shivering is running 4 mage, earning 35m/h, it's like 8.75m/h per mage including gach income, and says himself this needs giga nerf
While I was earning 12m+ with running single bish excluding gach income in ulu2 (too lazy to do gach kek) and he doesn't mention about ulu2 at all, even though income per mage is way better there.
This is just nothing but showoffing for me, like 'hey I earn 35m+/h come worship my insame income' which sounds childish honestly.

Shiv, what broken isn't map itself. it's your running 4 mages as 1 person so takes quad income of ordinary 1 mage people.
and I hope you know that you're not only one who can do that shit. just we were too lazy to do (yes, I have enough charas even able to do hexa-mage in same tactics, and 4 of them spend 1/2 MP of yours. just too lazy and have no greed for it.) , and you were diligent enough to do. that's why you earned a lot much more than us, and that's why we say 'you're deserved for it', instead of 'LF>nerf'.

If you seriously think you're only special guy who can do that and trying to showoff indirectly, then you're underrating guys in ML and it's nothing but your hubris. also, asking nerf for ulu1 just sounds me kicking ladder for players who got inspired for your nice journey. (not sarcasm. I actually believe your journal gave inspiration for many fellowers, and think it's your nice achievement.)

If you still think ulu1 needs nerf, think about yourself again. is map broken, or is ur ulting 4mage as 1ppl broken.
i'm sure even if staff team makes ulu1 income into 0, you'll get similar income in another map anyway. we have tons of maps to utilize multiclienting mages.

I hope to say. Stop overrating yourself and underrating others, also, kicking ladders for your fellowers.

 

Thats why i believe theres no need for ulu 1 map nerf. You do quad mage, thats your effort. Who knows, someone may do an oct-mage in future?
Unless theres other motives, which is the artificial change to demand and supply balance, to the benefit of mercs.

 

Just nerf the 2 safespots. Issue is resolved.
Single mages are not affected.

 

Ulu2 is indeed pretty awesome, but profit/mage isn't the only important metric. In theis case of ulu1 shivering is saying that the scalability of the strategy is what makes it broken. Due to ulu2 requiring more control/mage and being muched more clogged with other players you can't really scale it past farming 1 channel. As an extreme example just look at pre-nerf summon farming mannequins, although the profit per client was only like ~2.5-3m pretty much everyone (including the abusers themselves) agreed it was too broken.

 

Seems I pressed some button wrongly. Never expected you'll be on fire so serious like that. I apologize. Don't worry, I wasn't following you. just you were super active so being everywhere D:

Actually I know some maps which can apply your tactics and get similar sum income. let's just try to nerf them too. I'm sure you know those hidden off-meta maps also. I can't wait your next maps journal after nerf of ulu1 which you ask for.

Go brave. you're leading meta of maplelegends. salute you. No worry. I won't dare try to interrupt you anymore. You got my word.

(You know? I'm actually one of your fans even though you may not agree on. not sarcasm nor joke. You're talented for breaking meta/making new one, and I really love such guys because they give me chances to think in-depth about this game, instead of doing normally as braindead.)

 

It's not the map that is the problem, it's the player who abuses multi-clients with 4 mages.
The fix is simple, limit the number of clients we can open. The strategy probably does work work well with 2 pc/laptop anyway

I'm actually bias as I only care about not wanting the ULU I to be nerf, I'd rather they prevent the players from taking advantage of the map with multi mages.

 

While I fully agree the nerfs (if they are deemed necessary) should be more targeted towards the players that actually bother with the effort/required accounts to quad client mages, I feel like limiting open clients is a done-and-over-with-concept. We've seen it in bosses to prevent muling, it lead to an indirect pay2win-scenario where people with multiple devices had a clear advantage over others.

 

You keep using words like 'take advantage' as if optimizing strategies are not an inherent part of this game. Multimagers aren't taking advantage of anything. They're playing the game within the parameters currently allowed.

 

Can you DM me? Shivering doesn't need to know

 

I tried to replicate shivering's ulu1 + cornian strategy and got some pretty decent results, even though I only use 1 meso up mule for ulu1.

I recorded a video of me farming both maps at the same time in case anyone is curious how it is done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NUM8GrVtR8

One thing to note is that my sweeper for cornians and mw30 mule are loaded on a separate laptop because after 6 clients there is literally not a single pixel of space left on my main monitor.